Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by aaron-lebo on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @04:03AM
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I don't feel like quoting Tolkien is going to win anyone arguments.
We should keep in mind that Gollum is for a short time reformed before he tries to lure Frodo and Sam to their deaths so that he can have a golden ring...
Not the poster child for capital punishment reform. Turning off snark, that quote sounds very informed by Tolkien's Catholicism.
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by nylsaar on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @04:27AM
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If this wise man, who cannot see all ends, witnessed a wolf with a flock of sheep, would this same logic apply?
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by labster on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @04:41AM
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Yes, because the wolf-sheep situation is orthogonal to moral arguments about justice amongst the race of Men.
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by GarrisonPrime on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:11AM
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An alternative to capital punishment: exile.
Fence off a large part of the American southwest. Surround it with guard towers and automatic motion-activated machine guns to destroy anything that comes within 100 ft of the fence. Then drop the exiles off with a backpack of basic equipment and wish them well.
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by DougWebb on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:13AM
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I think I saw that movie a few times. Never seems to work out well.
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:08AM
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That's not "exile." That's just prison, only even more sadistic and poorly run.
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by GarrisonPrime on Thursday September 22, 2016 @12:01AM
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It's not sadistic; it's neutral. Nature is the only guard. It's not poorly run; it's not run at all. This is nearly the very definition of exile, so I'm not sure where your confusion comes from. Perhaps you feel throwing them into a desert is inhumane? Fine, then fence off part of a jungle or plains with a river or something else more comfortable. Build some basic infrastructure if necessary.
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by okwhatthe2 on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @03:58PM
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> only even more sadistic
Remember Florence ADX.
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by blowski on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:35AM
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I assume this is a reference to "Esacpe from LA".
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by douche on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:36PM
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Or, since we've already brought Dune into the picture up-thread, Salusa Secondus.
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by AndrewDucker on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @06:51AM
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Or the Heinlein short story "Coventry":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_(short_story)
Re:The Fantastic World of Professor Tolkien (1956)
by GarrisonPrime on Thursday September 22, 2016 @12:01AM
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No, it is a modest proposal.
> “Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give that to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of Justice ... even the wise cannot see all ends.”
Remains a very good, concise argument against capital punishment.