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Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by rogerdpack on Monday August 08, 2016 @11:57AM (#12248734)
I figured out what is going on here. Walmart thinks to themselves "we want to be like amazon, we want to be huge online" and then jet comes along and is something of an almost competitor to amazon, so corporate thinks "oh we should snap this up" but...my gut reaction here is this is going to be a terrible deal for walmart, what are they going to do, keep dumping $500M/yr for it at a loss or what? Pretty desperate, but whatever.. :)
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by camelNotation on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:56PM (#12249613)
Walmart has something Jet.com needs: one of the world's most advanced product delivery systems. Every Wal-Mart store is a distribution center waiting to happen. They are enormous and they are everywhere.

Jet.com has something Wal-Mart can use to rocket its online presence forward: advanced online infrastructure, patents, a wealth of technology experts, and users.

Together, Wal-Mart can beat Amazon at its own game by doing what Amazon is already doing (building more, smaller DCs everywhere) using what they already have (massive retail locations everywhere).

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by chaostheory on Monday August 08, 2016 @07:27PM (#12251515)
Jet also has something else that Walmart doesn't have: a better reputation. It doesn't hurt that Jet's founder also used to work for Amazon as well and he has a track record with founding and running Quidsi (Diapers.com, etc...)
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by rogerdpack on Monday August 08, 2016 @10:08PM (#12252111)
It does have a reputation (for me, anyway) of possibly being cheaper. And tons of reviews online of people having poor experiences buying from it. That's the rep. it has for me so far :)

It does have a cooler looking website than walmart, and possibly even amazon. FWIW.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by chaostheory on Monday August 08, 2016 @10:58PM (#12252292)
That's actually what I was discussing. Walmart does have the reputation for being cheap; too cheap at the expense of everything else (parking lot safety is just one example out of many). Market research has shown time and time again that they just can't win certain high income demographics (even after making major changes), which is just another reason that Costco, Target, and Amazon thrive and why I feel that this was a good buy for Walmart.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by randomanybody on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @09:44AM (#12254405)
Cheap with a poor customer experience? They'll fit right in at Walmart.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by rpgmaker on Monday August 08, 2016 @04:47PM (#12250750)
I hope it works out for them. Amazon's age it's showing, their site it's clunky and unresponsive at times. Sellers misrepresent their wares all the time. They're outright banning some products which, for a store, it's a very opinionated move if you ask me. And don't give me the "the Apple Store doesn't carry the Fire" crap, Amazon bills itself as the "everything store". It works sure and customer service it's still miles ahead the competition (this is expensive and something that it's always overlooked by the competition) but they're neglecting the storefront by trying to be "everything".
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by gggggg11111 on Monday August 08, 2016 @07:03PM (#12251410)
Amazon closes customer accounts left right and center too, good luck getting thru to anyone human then despite being a decade long customer with thousands of digital purchases going poof.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by ak4g on Monday August 08, 2016 @07:15PM (#12251456)
Can you give me any pointers on where I can find out more about this?

(Also curious about the banned product lines if anyone can summarize/link to what's going on there.)

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by AceyMan on Monday August 08, 2016 @11:51PM (#12252505)
Sample product: you can no longer get neodymium magnets from Amazon Shopping. (They were in my Wish List, and then, poof, "This product is no longer available." More searching within the site returned nothing.)
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by ak4g on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @05:11AM (#12253396)
Okay, granted, but that's not exactly what I'd call egregious. They're, um, capable of causing injury, and the kind of thing I would probably want to ensure was only sent to recipients who had a i-know-what-i'm-doing form on file with my legal dept. Not the kind of thing I expect to be available for free 2-day shipping or whatnot.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by TimJRobinson on Monday August 08, 2016 @11:59PM (#12252530)
You can Google "Amazon phone number" to speak to someone human...
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by gggggg11111 on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @05:02AM (#12253374)
I did, they want me to fax credit card details to their fax number (who the hell uses fax in this day and age?) which I done and no reply

I doubt anyone monitors it, everytime I ring them they bounce me from idiot to idiot

I now need access to some invoices for purchases I made last year for accountant but cant login, and of course all my digital purchases are gone, the 2 kindles are useless.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by notyourwork on Wednesday August 10, 2016 @10:46AM (#12262137)
Sounds like parts of this saga are missing. Amazon doesn't just dump customers, they are happy to take everyone's money.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by tootie on Monday August 08, 2016 @05:51PM (#12251123)
I kinda doubt jet.com is more sophisticated than walmart.com. They just wanted a more youthful brand.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by kobayashi on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @01:09AM (#12252744)
Just about anyone who cares is envious of Walmart's logistics systems. They're seriously life-savers in disaster management scenarios.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by AznHisoka on Monday August 08, 2016 @08:35PM (#12251779)
jet.com has no:

- reviews of products

- no customer q&a section

- no 3rd party seller ratings

These are rather basic features in an ecommerce site. So no, I don't think the guys from jet.com are experts at all.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by allendoerfer on Monday August 08, 2016 @10:19PM (#12252154)
Worse than having no content is publicly showing an empty user-generated content section. Marketing-wise it also seems like a dumb idea to try to beat amazon.com on longtail.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by AndrewKemendo on Monday August 08, 2016 @10:53PM (#12252278)
Perhaps they intentionally don't have those. I can see them being as much liabilities to a marketplace as a benefit - with significant overhead.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by kevin_thibedeau on Monday August 08, 2016 @07:03PM (#12251414)
Wal-Mart's delivery system is tuned to service a few thousand stores plus whatever scraps walmart.com takes in. It remains to be seen if they can use Jet to their advantage or destroy it by borgifying their management with Wal-Mart graybeards.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by desireco42 on Monday August 08, 2016 @02:29PM (#12249844)
I am a little skeptical on Jet side, experts, patents etc. I think Walmart probably has better experts, but like someone said, this is mostly lead by corporate and I expect this to turn out to be terrible decision. But what do I know :)
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by bluGill on Monday August 08, 2016 @03:12PM (#12250158)
WalMart has experts, but they are already busy current problems. To get into online needs experts who spend their time on the problem - but WalMart cannot afford to let their current experts leave their current jobs or the company would go under.

That isn't to say WalMart can't (or shouldn't) transfer some of their experts to Jet, and some Jet experts elsewhere. Just that they cannot afford to lose all their experts in the core business to the online dream.

I too expect this to turn out to be a terrible decision, but I've been proven wrong on my expectations before. Reasons like the above is generally why.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by exclusiv on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:26PM (#12249381)
Jet.com is a disaster of a company fundamentally.

However, it does make sense for a company like Walmart. I don't know about 3B, but Jet is a drastically cooler brand for them in their ecommerce battle esp. among millenials.

Jet was previously fulfilling many orders from Walmart and now they can build a seamless integration to deliver competitively priced items quickly from the stores.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by antisthenes on Monday August 08, 2016 @02:09PM (#12249713)
> I don't know about 3B, but Jet is a drastically cooler brand for them in their ecommerce battle esp. among millenials.

Every time I see a comment like this, it really makes me wonder who these mythical millenials are. I work in a company with 11 millenials out of 16 employees and NONE of them have even heard about Jet, let alone bought from it. Now that Jet was acquired and will be quietly folded into Walmart, it's more than likely they never will.

They use Amazon almost exclusively for all of their shopping needs.

Not sure where you got the notion that 'Jet is a drastically cooler brand'. It seems false both from anecdata I have and from the design of their website, which looks like a cheap knockoff of Amazon.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by exclusiv on Monday August 08, 2016 @03:25PM (#12250255)
I meant Jet is a much cooler brand than Walmart.

Sure - many millenials haven't heard of it yet, but that's beside the point. Everyone has heard of Walmart but they struggle online. In your anecdote, 30% have brand recall which isn't as bad as you make it seem.

The problem with Jet as it currently stands is that it isn't very compelling for word of mouth. I've used it and had a decent experience but never told anyone about it.

Anyway, Walmart can put more muscle behind it, likely deliver a better service and push a cooler brand than their own. At the same time - they can utilize their store inventory and distribution/shipping and potentially drive consumers to pick up in store same day (and drive more in-store revenue).

You make an assumption about them folding it in. I don't think they will, but if they do it will be a waste.

Also - your note about people you know using Amazon for all shopping needs doesn't mean that it will always be that way. Do you expect everyone to roll over because Amazon is the leader? Should nobody bother competing?

- Amazon has a LOT of fake reviews. - They're pissing off merchants by competing directly with them. - They often ship other merchant's products instead of your own if it's closer to the user.

I'm not that bullish on Jet either, but I wouldn't underestimate Walmart.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by djrogers on Monday August 08, 2016 @05:26PM (#12250998)
>In your anecdote, 30% have brand recall which isn't as bad as you make it seem.

I think you misread the parent - he said that out of 16 employees, 11 were millennials and none of those had 'brand recall' as you insist on calling it.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by exclusiv on Monday August 08, 2016 @06:29PM (#12251276)
Oops you are right - I misread the anecdote. My mistake.

Apart from that, I'd bet that most or all of the 11 millenials would say Walmart is probably one of the least exciting, least cool brands they're know.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by ianamartin on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @09:54AM (#12254467)
Amazon is one of the least exciting, least cool brands I can think of. It's right down there with walmart and other retailers on my list. But I use them all the time.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by arcticfox on Monday August 08, 2016 @02:30PM (#12249858)
> will be quietly folded into Walmart

There are some huge assumptions built into your comment.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by duderific on Monday August 08, 2016 @02:33PM (#12249880)
I think the GP probably meant that Jet is drastically cooler than Walmart, not Amazon.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by kafkaesq on Monday August 08, 2016 @06:13PM (#12251220)
Jet.com is a disaster of a company fundamentally.

How so?

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by exclusiv on Monday August 08, 2016 @06:41PM (#12251321)
They don't have any margins. When a consumer buys a product on their site - they have employees purchase from retailers or suppliers and ship.

So they've been eating the cost of shipping and overhead with no margins and have zero loyalty because they don't really have a unique value proposition.

They failed with their initial subscription model. They say they can keep costs low with their technology and rewards based shopping but they haven't proven anything.

It gets better with Walmart though - now they have a supplier and distribution hub that has great relationships with countless vendors.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by figgis on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @08:14PM (#12258615)
> When a consumer buys a product on their site - they have employees purchase from retailers or suppliers and ship.

Walmart brings the solution to that to the table. They already have the merchandise, and infrastructure. While the general opinion of Walmart is that they are terrible, Walmart's distribution and transportation infrastructure is King in that world.

Currently Jet.com fulfills orders by just going to the stores and purchasing and shipping.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by exclusiv on Wednesday August 10, 2016 @05:01PM (#12264721)
Yes, that's exactly what I wrote. :)
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by figgis on Wednesday August 10, 2016 @06:19PM (#12265123)
I apologize, I think I replied to the wrong comment.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by swalsh on Monday August 08, 2016 @12:01PM (#12248781)
If you're a cynical person that is an easy thought... but something tells me a 3B acquisition of a company that is losing money in so many places isn't a decision taken lightly. A public company like Walmart, there's some people doing some math here.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by sbierwagen on Monday August 08, 2016 @12:10PM (#12248849)

  A public company like Walmart, there's some people doing 
  some math here.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/yahoo-reports-another-big-loss-...

  Yahoo also reported that it's writing down $482 million 
  in charges related to the declining value of Tumblr, 
  the social-blogging service that Yahoo acquired for 
  $1.1 billion in 2013.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/8/8910999/microsoft-job-cuts-...

  and the company is writing off $7.6 billion related to 
  its acquisition of the Nokia phone business. That's more 
  than the $7.2 billion Microsoft paid for Nokia's phone 
  business last year.
Public companies "do some math", but that doesn't mean their math is always right. Acquisitions are bets, and bets don't always pay off.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by coryfklein on Monday August 08, 2016 @06:39PM (#12251310)
It seems you're pointing out the obvious: that no investment 100% guarantees any sort of return. Surely "the math" discussed internally at Walmart includes both:

1) A calculation of risk/reward on this investment

2) Determining whether result of 1 appropriately reflects Walmart's risk profile.

Given that Walmart decided to acquire, it is safe to assume this investment's risk of loss falls within Walmart's investment profile.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by mark-r on Monday August 08, 2016 @06:53PM (#12251360)
My own observation is that the bets hardly ever pay off. Microsoft/Nokia is a great example but there are plenty of others. Maybe it's just confirmation bias, but I have trouble thinking of one counter example.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by rogerdpack on Monday August 08, 2016 @10:04PM (#12252100)
Adobe did buy AEM "when i was little" (you know, for like 20M or something I have no idea) and it has grown to 10x as much. However that is purchasing a smaller company...kind of like venture capital investment I guess. there seem to be plenty of examples where buying companies hasn't worked out (yahoo+tumblr comes to mind, and that's only recent news).
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by mark-r on Monday August 08, 2016 @11:23PM (#12252392)
Sorry, not familiar with the acronym AEM. But you do give me an opportunity to modify my statement - it seems that the larger and more strategic the acquisition seems, the more likely it is to fail. And even when it doesn't fail, the synergies never seem to gel - what news of Zappos lately?
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by matt4077 on Monday August 08, 2016 @10:01PM (#12252088)
NeXt. Paypal. iTunes. Maybe Skype
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by erichocean on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @05:57PM (#12258004)
NeXT? Are you kidding? Apple has done nothing but _loathe_ buying NeXT and their mercurial CEO. Huge waste of money. /s
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by hayksaakian on Monday August 08, 2016 @07:51PM (#12251613)
adsense
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by chillydawg on Monday August 08, 2016 @12:24PM (#12248926)
The people with the best risk ratio are not the people with the most invested, therefore acquisition deals are almost always poor value for shareholders as top execs gamble other people's money with virtually no downside. Deal goes bad? Have $2m severance and get another huge job elsewhere. The incentives at play are perverse.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by rpgmaker on Monday August 08, 2016 @03:51PM (#12250420)
> A public company like Walmart, there's some people doing some math here.

Translation: "I can't see how this deal makes sense but WalMart is a huge company so it has to make sense even if to me it doesn't".

By that logic no big company would ever fail or screw up. Every time there's a huge acquisition there are some people here making this fallacious argument or a variation of it. There are always people "doing some math" inside these companies, that doesn't mean that the success of any given strategy is a given.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by imcqueen on Monday August 08, 2016 @03:18PM (#12250211)
They're definitely doing the math, but to an objective outsider the numbers won't add up. We are all likely underestimating how hard it is to innovate inside a company the size of Walmart.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by bunderbunder on Monday August 08, 2016 @10:24PM (#12252167)
There are people doing the math.

The equation they're solving for is probably not, "How can we maximize Walmart's profits?", though. It's "How can I maximize my own immediate career goals?"

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by Maarten88 on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:24PM (#12249365)
> keep dumping $500M/yr for it at a loss or what?

I think building Amazon wasn't cheap too. Amazon made losses for most of two decades straight, so Walmart dumping massieve money into building a competitor, with the insights of today, might still be cheap, relatively.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by rpgmaker on Monday August 08, 2016 @03:55PM (#12250442)
Amazon turned a "small" profit just the other day. Overall I think it's still fair to categorize it as a money losing venture (so far).
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by sjg007 on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:58PM (#12249628)
All shopping is going to be online and delivered for the same price as going to a big warehouse store. With the dash buttons and the third party integration Amazon is too big to ignore.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by gscott on Monday August 08, 2016 @05:23PM (#12250984)
Walmart being a established multi-national company they can't really have unprofitable divisions or unprofitable quarters. This will be equivalent to Yahoo's Tumblr acquisition (a failure).... no amount of heads exploding blue dust will save this.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by HillaryBriss on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:15PM (#12249303)
Here's an assessment of how Walmart was doing against Amazon -- from the year 2000:

... the case for Amazon getting crushed by Wal-Mart doesn't stand up when you do some side-by-side comparing of their Web sites. What's wrong with Walmart.com? Put simply, it settles for taking orders for the products people come looking for rather than enticing them to buy things they hadn't even thought of buying.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2000-12-17/walmart-do...

It's 16 years later and Walmart still hasn't been able to compete with Amazon very effectively.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by antisthenes on Monday August 08, 2016 @02:15PM (#12249749)
Amazon sells more than the next 10 biggest websites, combined.

It's useful to note that those 10 biggest websites are operated by large retailers with a physical presence, so it doesn't necessarily mean they're in trouble (walmart, macy's, home depot, etc.)

But the gap between Amazon and the next biggest e-tail site is huge. It's more of a canyon than a gap, really.

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by smitherfield on Monday August 08, 2016 @03:38PM (#12250333)
eBay isn't even one of the top 10 anymore? How the mighty have fallen, if that's the case.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by __derek__ on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:23PM (#12249357)
Walmart.com has much higher sales than Jet. It already is huge online, even if it's not Amazon huge. If anything, this is about pruning competition and buying potentially useful IP.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by mandeepj on Monday August 08, 2016 @03:09PM (#12250135)
>even if it's not Amazon huge

are your serious?

Walmart's revenue was $482.1[0] billion in 2015 and amazon's was $107b[1]

[0] - https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e...

[1] - https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e...

edit - sorry, i missed the .com part

Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by chockablock on Monday August 08, 2016 @03:22PM (#12250238)
Parent referred to walmart.COM. Walmart online sales only $13B/yr, per http://fortune.com/2016/05/20/the-silver-lining-in-walmarts-...
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by __derek__ on Monday August 08, 2016 @05:35PM (#12251040)
Even though I meant Wal-Mart e-commerce, this is a good reminder that the company remains huge despite concerns about its online sales.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by rogerdpack on Monday August 08, 2016 @10:09PM (#12252114)
Honest question: do any readers here really order from walmart.com ? I am surprised they sell much at all, based on how much I personally have ordered from them (never).
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by gtk40 on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:03AM (#12254526)
I do. I price compare on larger purchases and have found Walmart.com cheaper occasionally. I've even done stuff from Sears, which has a multi-vendor marketplace as well. Both tend to have an addition 5-10% with Discover Deals as well, which I can't normally get with Amazon.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by gsg21 on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @11:08AM (#12255031)
I've ordered a few times in the last couple months. They were cheaper than anywhere else (by a few bucks) and I did the store pick-up option to avoid shipping costs. In my experience, it's pretty quick shipping and the products are good quality
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by rogerdpack on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @12:48PM (#12255903)
Thanks for the response.
Re:Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash by deegles on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:09PM (#12249265)
Would $500m/yr even be enough? I guess they could leverage their existing distribution network and stores...