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Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by coreyp_1 on Monday July 25, 2016 @02:11PM (#12160430)
I'm sad to see Radio Shack so far from the "builders" market.

I had to run to RS this weekend to try to find a part, only to find 3 salespeople who had no idea of how components or soldering worked. They seemed amazed that I would actually design my own circuits, while I look at what I am doing and consider it to be a bit amateurish. :(

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by mikestew on Monday July 25, 2016 @06:08PM (#12161980)
They seemed amazed that I would actually design my own circuits

That shouldn't surprise you, RS employees have never had electronics knowledge. I forget the details, but as one example I remember a conversation while trying to get a replacement battery for a cordless phone for a friend of my girlfriend at the time (who is now my wife, meaning it was well over 20 years ago). Again, forget the details, but employee argued that it couldn't be the battery because "blah blah blah". It holds a charge for 34.6 seconds after charging it overnight and then has about 0.2V, what do you think the problem might be, oh Electronics Wizard?

Back when employees would at least try to pretend to be knowledgable, they'd argue with you if you made the mistake of letting them know what you're building. "You're building a FooBar? No, no, you need a WhatsaHoosit." You mean this article from a guy who forgets more about electronics than you and I will ever know is wrong?

EDIT: that said, when I went to buy some resistors a few weeks ago to fake a display on our headless Mac OS build server, a couple of bucks got me a card of five of them. So I don't know what is missing from supplying the "builders" market.

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by phil21 on Monday July 25, 2016 @07:06PM (#12162241)
> So I don't know what is missing from supplying the "builders" market.

It's an extremely small selection, compared to what it was in the early 90's (that I remember - and I remember older folks complaining about how far it had gone down hill even then).

There just is no store I can wander around these days (or series of stores) where I can visualize exactly what I need to build some project. For example I needed recently to put some electronics in a waterproof outdoor box, and cable it up nice with proper waterproof conduit.

For someone who has done that sort of thing 500 times for work, you know exactly what to order and what everything is called and how it will fit. For someone who never has I really miss just being able to go to a hobby/electronics store and actually see the components I'd need to put something together - usually modifying my plans in the process as I see what is available I never knew existed before.

This makes "making things" really hard for the beginner and removes a ton of spontaneous "lets just figure it out and get it done" type of projects - at least for me. There is no store to run back to to swap out that $1.50 component I bought the wrong part number of. Minutes/hours of latency to days at best.

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by Spooky23 on Monday July 25, 2016 @08:41PM (#12162603)
When shack was in its heyday, you needed all of those parts to fix radios, TVs, etc.

Electronics became disposable, TV repair went away, and the radio shack shifted.

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by kosherbeefcake on Tuesday July 26, 2016 @07:59AM (#12164959)
After the Arduino had come out, and amateur projects were coming out from that, I visited a small hobby electronics store, looking to gather some information, buy some starter gear, and get into the hobby.

I chatted with the sales clerk, who was on the younger side, that I should go back to school for electrical engineering, because that's the only way I'd learn the hobby. I bought an Arduino afterwards, but never used it. That encounter effectively killed it for me.

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by qxamak on Tuesday July 26, 2016 @03:41PM (#12168250)
Not only was that sales clerk bad at his job (discouraging you from pursuing something that you're already interested in), but he was also very wrong.

I'm an electrical engineer who develops hardware similar to the Arduino for a living. I'm still constantly amazed by the things my friends, mostly artists and web designers, make using Arduinos and Raspberry Pis. I remember buying one of the first Arduinos and thinking, "Why did I even go to school? They've made everything so much easier." My friends still ask me questions and help them troubleshoot things; but for the most part, there are tutorials and forums that often provide more information that I can. Sparkfun and Adafruit have a lot of great beginner level tutorials, but they also have some really complex and challenging projects too.

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by foobarian on Monday July 25, 2016 @11:33PM (#12163160)
Sadly that kind of ecosystem has migrated over to Shenzhen.
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by hkmurakami on Monday July 25, 2016 @09:08PM (#12162698)
I wish that's the direction Fry's Electronics had headed in, rather than be an even crappier version of Best Buy...
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by xyzzy123 on Monday July 25, 2016 @07:31PM (#12162332)
One way to get around this is to buy bulk assorted components off aliexpress or eBay. The prices are better than they've ever been, but yeah, time lag in supply chain (1 month or so) really sucks.
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by kw71 on Monday July 25, 2016 @07:42PM (#12162378)
Beware, some of that stuff is extremely sketchy. Stuff that you used to take for granted, like ceramic capacitors, are being mismarked or poorly made now. What good is an assortment of X7R grade caps anyway, even if they are not out of spec?
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by fapjacks on Tuesday July 26, 2016 @01:26AM (#12163519)
The crap RadioShack sells is no less sketchy, believe me. I don't buy caps from RS anymore specifically because they seem to source the worst possible. They just sell crap.
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by Taniwha on Tuesday July 26, 2016 @02:41AM (#12163743)
5 for $2? what a rip off, I can buy a complete assortment of values - ~1500 resistors for $5 - you wont go back for resistors for a decade or so

30 seconds found me this: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-New-Arrival-High-Quality-...

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by drzaiusapelord on Monday July 25, 2016 @03:01PM (#12160772)
I think the remaining ones are just cell phone and battery kiosks that happen to be full sized stores.

Up until a couple years ago, the two near me had full sections dedicated to discrete components, arduinos, etc. The old school Radio Shacks had all that stuff for decades until the internet killed them. Now its just a retail junk store.

> They seemed amazed that I would actually design my own circuits

Well, you're dealing with people with retail jobs. They probably aren't meeting a lot of engineers or makers. They spend their days arguing with housewives and children over cell phone contracts and fees.

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by ayuvar on Monday July 25, 2016 @03:08PM (#12160812)
In Canada, Bell purchased Radio Shack and rebranded it. It has pretty aggressive cell phone upselling, and we missed out on the arduino/makerspace stuff that the US Radio Shack was embarking on a few years ago.
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by jmspring on Monday July 25, 2016 @03:05PM (#12160791)
Standard General bought Radio Shack and it's assets and has been working with moving Sprint into some of the stores (like the one here in Santa Cruz).

http://www.businessinsider.com/standard-general-buys-radiosh...

At least locally, we have Santa Cruz Electronics which has a decent assortment of components. It is no Quement's, etc. though from back in the day.

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by jey on Monday July 25, 2016 @02:19PM (#12160480)
You could move to Berkeley, where we still have Al Lasher's Electronics right in downtown with knowledgeable staff.
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by StavrosK on Monday July 25, 2016 @03:54PM (#12161135)
The main problem is that, if the staff know about how to design circuits, why are they working at an electronics store?
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by im_down_w_otp on Monday July 25, 2016 @06:43PM (#12162144)
There are lots and lots of knowledgeable people who are also very, very bad at the self-promotion that's necessary to get high-paying jobs in "industry".
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by nitrogen on Monday July 25, 2016 @04:13PM (#12161273)
Commission? Or maybe it's just a hobby?
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by michaelt on Monday July 25, 2016 @04:40PM (#12161455)
I can't imagine there's much commission to be made selling a Raspberry Pi :)
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by milesokeefe on Monday July 25, 2016 @05:11PM (#12161640)
Unfortunately that's the only component shop in town. IIRC I couldn't even find one in SF to my amazement.

Kudos to Al Lasher's though, there's few places like that still around.

Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by coreyp_1 on Monday July 25, 2016 @03:53PM (#12161123)
I'm @ Notre Dame. I have to use Amazon and eBay. :)
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by jcurbo on Monday July 25, 2016 @09:23PM (#12162773)
I find it interesting that you still thought of RS as a choice. Has there been a RS you could go to for components or soldering stuff any time recently? I haven't seen one that wasn't more than just an electronics store like Best Buy in over a decade if not more.
Re:Polycom’s co-founder on the best investment he ever made by slewis on Monday July 25, 2016 @10:04PM (#12162931)
There was one on Mission St in San Francisco until last year. Expensive but worked in a pinch for basics (through-hole capacitor kits for example).