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Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by derefr on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:30PM (#12133373)
It seems like a lot of the most well-known pseudo-legal BitTorrent "groups" (PopcornTime, YIFY, ISOHunt, now Kat) turn out to be one-man shops, and as such, just completely dissolve as soon as their owner crosses paths with law enforcement. In some cases, these services are integral enough to the "scene" to be brought back by others. But other times, everything just stops for a while.

This seems like a bus-factor problem. Why does it keep happening? Why aren't these sites being run by multi-national teams that can survive a loss like this?

Even The Pirate Bay is "just" Swedish, so a sufficiently-motivated Swedish Government could shut TPB down. Meanwhile, there's no single country that could shut down e.g. Wikipedia.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by toomuchtodo on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:32PM (#12133384)
> This seems like a bus-factor problem. Why does it keep happening? Why aren't these sites being run by multi-national teams that can survive a loss like this?

Trust. You have to be sure the people you're working with are diligent, careful, and won't turn you in (and likewise for them).

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by derefr on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:48PM (#12133484)
It feels like you could factor off the trust requirements into a much smaller kernel, though.

For example, you could operate (your instance of) your pseudo-legal service yourself, but open-source the codebase (sticking it on GitHub even) and accept patches from anyone.

You could also implement a simple replication architecture for your service, where at any time one node (yours) is considered to be the 'canonical master', and then other nodes can join the network as slaves, receive replicated state, and run as mirrors. Sort of like Linux package repository mirrors.

With such a setup, arresting the original maintainer just means 1. a codebase fork by a new maintainer, and 2. a (probably manual) network master-node election.

And that's just a setup that lets you stay in complete control without having to trust anybody (since you still "own" the codebase, and the master node, until you disappear.) If you are willing to relinquish control to the system itself, you could just build your service on a DHT or a signed store-and-forward hierarchy or a blockchain or whatever. There's no reason that things that are essentially "a BitTorrent tracker exposed through a website" need to have their canonical state anywhere at all.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by dsacco on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:23PM (#12133642)
You just described what.cd.

What.cd open sourced Gazelle, the source code for the website and tracker. The core development team accepts pull requests, but they are themselves insulated from the owner and operator of what.cd.

Since opening Gazelle, many other private trackers have adopted it.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by ac29 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:52PM (#12133767)
Yes, the code is open, but the state of the what.cd tracker and website is not. If they were taken down, the service would cease to exist.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by SSLy on Thursday July 21, 2016 @02:02AM (#12135059)
I doubt. In the recent thread linked on the homepage you can read they have quite contingency measures in place. If some government seized all production wcd servers tomorrow, I believe it would be running back after a few days.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by mburns on Thursday July 21, 2016 @01:57AM (#12135043)
Things like IPFS[0] address this problem.

[0] https://ipfs.io/

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by eevilspock on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:23PM (#12133906)
A distributed blockchain sounds right. Now imagine that "mining" for this blockhchain is serving torrents, and you have to spend currency to download. The currency can be sold for monetary currency (e.g. dollars or bitcoin), so leechers could pay seeders.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 21, 2016 @02:42AM (#12135176)
What problem are you trying to solve? Downloading torrents works fine. The weak link is the search engine and description-host.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by posterboy on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @11:26PM (#12134428)
and soon you'd have monopolies seeding and the whole decentralization fades.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by mrep on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:11PM (#12133584)
I think you just discovered the first actual use case for ethereum. Albeit, the architecture would have to be a little different and there's a lot of complications in that.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if ethereum came to be a way to host illegal websites considering bitcoins main market is for illegal transactions.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by thatcat on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:26PM (#12133923)
bitcoins main market is speculative investment, its a good hedge against inflation
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by drawnwren on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:47PM (#12133476)
I'd also wager more communication makes more vulnerabilities. Thinking back to lulzsec and dread pirate Roberts, both were caught thanks to communication.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by DSMan195276 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:25PM (#12133650)
To add to this even more, Lulzsec got outed by a member who chose to cooperate with the FBI, and in doing so got a reduced sentence. So in many ways, your security is entirely dependent on the security of everybody else - if they don't hide their identity well, then your identity can be in jeopardy too.

If someone starts cooperating with some type of law enforcement you're screwed, and if anybody gets caught and is facing a 50 year charge unless they cooperate, you can probably bet on which one they'll choose.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by Jach on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:33PM (#12133686)
At least one CP group managed well: https://web.archive.org/web/20130119025623/http://dee.su/upl... "PGP & alt.anonymous maildrops, rotating keys regularly, where the bust only happened because a member was busted for non-ring-related problems and the only busted members were violating the Hushmail lesson by using a third-party service."
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by Aelinsaar on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:51PM (#12133500)
This is the major hurdle in all criminal endeavor.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by DSMan195276 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:48PM (#12133486)
> This seems like a bus-factor problem. Why does it keep happening? Why aren't these sites being run by multi-national teams that can survive a loss like this?

I mean, I would assume it's because it's shady business. Even if you made it multi-national, there are probably only a few places where you could reasonably keep the server hidden for an extended period of time (Keep in mind, these aren't Tor services or anything, they're pretty out in the open as far as I can tell) - and you're making money off of ads, so actually getting paid is another complicated issue. And really, if you only need one person, why bring in the risks of a second one? I don't think you'd be very concerned about "keeping the scene alive" if you're going to jail.

Wikipedia is easy in comparison because most countries don't throw you in jail for running a Wikipedia server.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by josho on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:39PM (#12133432)
I'm interested in the problem of how you would solve a distributed system that is moderated yet guards against bad actors.

To answer your question I think these are one man shops because they get shut down before reaching the size that you could have a larger team involved. Maybe if someone without a profit motive started something up they'd build a system that solved the problem above and could therefore last longer than a lone individual's contribution.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by airza on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:54PM (#12133514)
Because realistically speaking nobody cares. Having people trust wikipedia to stay open or be at least backed up and not controlled makes them more likely to contribute to the upkeep of the site. If i'm downloading software for free from a list of public trackers, it is more or less completely interchangeable to me and everyone else involved in the process.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by johnmarius on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:58PM (#12133536)
It would be a bus-factor problem if any one person ran all these things. But they're all run by different people, none is essential.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by ekianjo on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:49PM (#12133755)
> Meanwhile, there's no single country that could shut down e.g. Wikipedia.

You don't have to shut it down, you can simply prevent access to it, like in China. Problem solved, if that's something you considered a problem in the first place.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by thatcat on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:29PM (#12133947)
Wikipedia is designed to be easily downloaded and distributed in other ways
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by ekianjo on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @10:40PM (#12134249)
Easily, only when you have fast connections. The smallest archives are in the 20 GB kind of range for the English language, and that's without pictures. And good luck finding updated mirrors for the content, or even recent dumps.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by samuellb on Thursday July 21, 2016 @07:11AM (#12136060)
I've used a re-compressed version in the past, with reduced xml markup, and with the most rarely visited articles removed. It was around 1GB when I downloaded it, and it used the proprietary MDX/MDict format. You can find downloads here (from 2010):

http://sh0dan.blogspot.com/

Or you could just download the Wikipedia CD. It contains 5500 articles from 2007:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_CD_Selecti...

Neither of those two are very up to date of course, but it shows that it can be done.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by spdustin on Thursday July 21, 2016 @01:07AM (#12134836)
I can ship a BluRay disc or three pretty quickly...
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday July 21, 2016 @04:11PM (#12139672)
Copyright infringement isn't a tort in San Marino, nor Ethiopia AFAIK, setting up there would seemingly put you beyond legal obstructions.

USA government always have a way though, there's no way either place would stand up for their own citizens once the USA start threatening sanctions.

Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by chx on Thursday July 21, 2016 @06:09AM (#12135847)
Because these sites do not matter? Torrent sites are pretty much bottom feeders but public torrent sites doubly so? The important sites are scene FTP sites, especially topsites where releases actually happen.
Re:Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distributio... by zouhair on Thursday July 21, 2016 @07:46AM (#12136179)
PopcornTime is alive and kicking. Actually 2 of them popped up after the demise of the first one.