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Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @06:07AM (#12127900)
That's why they all kind of suck.

I mean, there's a tradeoff - by catering to the use cases of the common man, you're limiting them to your interpretation of what the common man's use cases are. Computers are tools for creative problem solving - limit them too much, and you're literally taking away almost all the reasons to have one.

I particularly dislike ideas like "hide full path of folders" or hiding extensions for known file types - because it's in fact confusing the common man in a misguided attempt to help them. The filesystem and the way the OS interacts with it is a set of abstractions. Hierarchical folders and associating files to programs via name extensions isn't that hard to grasp. But when you obscure that abstraction, paper over it with some nice display features, you're taking away the ability of a common man to ever understand what's going on. When before one could be expected to maybe figure out a mental model for those things, now it's close to impossible - because the OS is lying or refusing to divulge essential information.

So I actually agree with dozzie's parallel comment. By treating users like idiots, we're turning them into idiots. And since "pros" are a market niche, we're literally turning mainstream computing into toys for idiots. It's a waste of potential, IMO.

Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by anexprogrammer on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @06:47AM (#12128044)
Hiding file extensions is uniquely dangerous on Windows as the file extension is the canonical reference of what type something is. Change the .doc to .exe and the system will try to treat it as an executable. At least on other systems it's a convenience and the system identifies type and executable bit in somewhat more robust ways.
Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @06:49AM (#12128049)
Yes, that's true too. It's a common Windows malware distribution vector - bad actors send files with names like "photo.jpg.exe" or even "photo.exe", with the icon resource in executable's metadata set to look like default image icon, or even a thumbnail of some real photo.
Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by pjmlp on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:07AM (#12128117)
Not only on Windows, on other OSes as well.

Many developers don't rely on the OS API to check the file contents and use a simple extension checking.

Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by curt15 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @10:26AM (#12129227)
Countless words have been written about this, but does MS see it as a problem?
Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by adrianratnapala on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @06:30AM (#12127972)
Yep. It's about making things feel simple and easy, without actually being simple and easy.

My parents both started using word processors in the days of MS-DOS and they had no trouble grasping the idea of files and directories, or that a WordPerfect file ends in `.wpd`.

Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @06:16AM (#12127928)
>>Hierarchical folders and associating files to programs via name extensions isn't that hard to grasp.

Actually a lot of people seem to struggle with it, I used to run training courses on a product that had a tree based configuration. As soon as you got beyond a basic list and started building a hierarchy half the class would fade away.

Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by mhurron on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @10:10AM (#12129107)
> half the class would fade away.

They didn't care, but every one understands it. Then there is also the basic belief that everything to do with a computer is hard, so they've already decided they can't understand it.

Tax returns > home > By year > (this number is federal, this other number is state)

Tax returns > business > By year > (this number is federal, this other number is state)

We use standard filing and organization like the a basic file system all the time, people have decided that it's hard on a computer.

Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @06:22AM (#12127952)
Compare it to some trees they know from real life. Company organizational chart. School organizational chart (principal has teachers who have children). Country organizational chart (president over ministers over ...).

Trees are not a trivial abstraction, but they aren't also hard.

Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:09AM (#12128349)
Well I don't do it any more but at the time I tried lots of different approaches, some people just don't seem to have the mental capability to handle the abstractions.
Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by snaky on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @03:44PM (#12131877)
That's amusing actually. Average HN reader just cannot imagine an average people cannot handle abstractions at all.
Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by TeMPOraL on Thursday July 21, 2016 @03:57AM (#12135419)
If an average human couldn't handle abstractions at all, their brain would explode somewhere around being 2 years old. Everyone, even the biggest luddite, deals with shit ton of abstractions every day. The brain can handle it. The ego, quite often, cannot - and herein lies the role of a good teacher.
Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by cwyers on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @10:18AM (#12129173)
> by catering to the use cases of the common man, you're limiting them to your interpretation of what the common man's use cases are.

Or, using telemetry, user studies and more, you can actually figure out what those use cases are. It's not rocket surgery.

Re:Windows 10 “Developer Mode” by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @11:38AM (#12129856)
> Or, using telemetry, user studies and more, you can actually figure out what those use cases are. It's not rocket surgery.

Or you end up convincing yourself into thinking your own preconceptions are actually the real use cases. It's like social science, except most software development companies haven't heard of any kind of scientific rigour. Not to mention the study tools are broken on purpose too; it's not unheard of that people writing e.g. analytics / A/B-testing tools optimize them for the "wow it works" aspect - successfully, because most companies using them don't know squat about stats.

That said, even if you identify the right use cases, there's the orthogonal aspect of whether your tool will allow for those and only those use cases, or if it is a more general one.