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Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by r2dnb on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @03:29AM (#12120342)
This is the bottom line I agree with. I too am currently a member of the school of thought "Expand instead of budget". To the extent that I never save any money, I always invest it (in my business, in productivity tools etc...), and I live on a rolling personal operating capital.

Yet I definitely feel that accounting might be useful. Not to save money in order to make money (this whole notion actually makes me uncomfortable), but to optimize my spending.

I find myself buying too much crap (around $100 in McDonalds a month, etc...)

I'm also considering putting a few thousands dollars aside in a saving account. It won't be more than 2 months of living expenses.

Mmh... Actually thinking about it, I think that I've been doing accounting for a very long time without naming it - and realizing it. For example, I have rules to manage my personal operating capital, and I can tell precisely at which income level and how I will start to work on growing my cash reserves.

My advice would be:

-Invest everything while you are netting less than 10k a month, and be hungry to expand as if the devil was after you. The younger you are, the more aggressive you have to be. If you are under 30, don't even think of taking vacations.

- at the 10k point, you need to mind your expenses, and build cash reserves because investments to reach the next level will require down payments. At the same time, you need to keep growing your revenue at a faster pace.

-When you reach the next stage, your finances have reached a point where no anonymous from the internet can help you.

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by frostburg on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @06:06AM (#12120864)
Maybe it's my european prospective or something, but this "less than two months of expenses in savings, no vacations" approach strikes me as inexplicable and horrible. Do you think that you're really at your most productive while not taking vacations for years?
Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by VLM on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @10:26AM (#12121951)
USA vacations tend to be pretty stressful to travel to and from and horribly overpriced "tourist trap" type stuff. Turn money into status signalling posts on social media meets bean counters trying to maximize their profit. Its a very old movie series but the "National Lampoon" vacation movies very thinly satirize the actual experience of an American style vacation... that's why they're considered funny.

Its possible to take a euro style vacation, but extremely rare. Also your friends and family will tear into you, lobsters in a bucket style grabbing one trying to escape, unless you do the selfies at the tourist trap thing. "What you relaxed and had fun instead of stood in line for three hours to take a low quality picture? You totally wasted that once in a lifetime vacation."

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by nommm-nommm on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @11:05AM (#12122176)
So don't take stressful vacations you don't enjoy? If you enjoy so called "tourist traps" go for them. If you enjoy going to a cabin in a national park, do that instead. If you hate traveling and hate leaving your hometown, then don't. Pretty simple.

I cannot understand for the life of me what you are talking about with friends and family. Basically hardly anybody cares about your vacation to begin with and nobody cares what you do and if anyone does why do you care? I mean, you don't have to tell your friends and family you are going on vacation if you believe they won't approve, your vacations aren't public information. I, personally, don't tell my mother when I go on vacation because she wants a play by play when I get home and I simply don't care to tell her how I spent every minute, so I just don't mention to her that I am going somewhere.

This is just an extremely bizarre comment.

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by Kluny on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @12:44PM (#12122813)
> Also your friends and family will tear into you, lobsters in a bucket style grabbing one trying to escape, unless you do the selfies at the tourist trap thing. "What you relaxed and had fun instead of stood in line for three hours to take a low quality picture? You totally wasted that once in a lifetime vacation."

What a weird problem to have. Are you sure that's actually a thing that happens? It sounds unlikely.

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by nommm-nommm on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @08:23PM (#12125967)
Even if it does then just don't tell people that you are going on vacation? I meanyour vacation isn't public knowledge or anything.
Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by knowaveragejoe on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @10:38AM (#12122034)
I would think that the HN crowd of all people would know how easy it is to escape this trap. It's not _at all_ difficult to take a cheap, relaxing vacation in the US. In fact I'd say it's easier than many other places in the world.
Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by r2dnb on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @09:46AM (#12121691)
Thanks for your honest feedback, what I really meant was : you don't need this 4 days vacation in a mansion in spain for 1200eu+ if you are under 30 and don't enjoy financial freedom yet.

One more thing is that the reason I say "30" is that I believe that you owe time to your wife and kids and while I think it is important to take the opportunity which is youth, I also think it is not good to be obsessed by making it big all your life. There's a time to try hard, and a time to try moderately.

And finally, I regularly do nothing for 2-5 days, sometimes up to 10-12 and just take some fresh air when I think I need some rest and wouldn't be productive enough in front of my screen.

So it is actually much more balanced than it seems - and perhaps than what I communicated. The bottom line of this balance is : take the hit now.

I love free time and recreation more than all those who told me that I worked too much, this is what they never understood. And this is why I prefered to take the hit a few months to free myself for the rest of my life.

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by hx87 on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @11:35AM (#12122341)
> 4 days vacation in a mansion in spain for 1200eu+

I must say, you have a rather odd idea of what a "vacation" means.

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by Kluny on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @12:42PM (#12122799)
> you don't need this 4 days vacation in a mansion in spain for 1200eu+ if you are under 30 and don't enjoy financial freedom yet.

Why would anyone do that? It sounds awful.

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by barrkel on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @05:26AM (#12120751)
If you are under 30, don't even think of taking vacations

Don't waste all your youth on work.

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by restalis on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @09:10AM (#12121493)
Exactly my thought too. When are we supposed to indulge ourselves with vacations? When we'll loose the ability to enjoy anything?
Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by chadscira on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @10:19AM (#12121911)
Thats crazy! I'm a firm believer of finding something you love doing (that also can make money), and doing it as much as you can. But at the same time enjoy your life... Meet people, take vacations, travel!

As time goes on hopefully you have built up a unique arsenal of skills, knowledge, and connections. BUT please enjoy this process because it's your life...

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by nommm-nommm on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @09:04AM (#12121465)
> If you are under 30, don't even think of taking vacations

Terrible advice.

Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by r2dnb on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @09:46AM (#12121693)
Please see my explanations in the thread above
Re:The Surprising Ease of Plain Text Accounting by nommm-nommm on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @10:02AM (#12121803)
I did read it, still awful advice (unless you don't like vacations, which many people don't)