Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by throwanem on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:38PM
(#12038950)
> it's more fun and personally rewarding to do new stuff, than fight the hard compatibility fight
Thirteen years ago: https://href.li/?https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
And we're still complaining about the very same problems in the very same project.
Edit: God dammit, jwz. Sorry, everybody. Should be safe now, I hope. (I can't see the troll for myself, so I don't know for sure, but if this thing strips the header like it claims to do, that should solve it.)
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by cheepin on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:44PM
(#12038995)
To people confused about the link, copy and paste it instead. The owner of that site is trolling people with the HN referrer.
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by throwanem on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:46PM
(#12039011)
Not me, apparently. (No, seriously! I'm seeing the page I expect to see when I click that link in that comment. If I'd known jwz was doing what you claim he is, I'd have wrapped it with a referrer stripping bouncer or something. Sorry!)
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by azdle on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:49PM
(#12039028)
Your browser is probably caching the page. If you click your link then do a hard refresh (hold shit & click) you'll see the redirect.
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by throwanem on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:51PM
(#12039035)
> hold shit & click
Such a beautiful inadvertency. Anyway, it should be solved now. Sorry!
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by jessaustin on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @10:03PM
(#12040796)
God dammit, jwz.
Haha JWZ has done that to me before [0], as well. I think his method is to see an HN Referer, and then pounce with his Tinder profile pic.
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by xeromal on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:43PM
(#12038987)
NSFW: Picture of a testicle
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by bballer on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:47PM
(#12039014)
Lol, he is redirecting referral traffic from hacker news to an imgur picture of a testicle mocking hacker news users.
Trolling level A+
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by throwanem on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:44PM
(#12038993)
What?
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by kuschku on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:46PM
(#12039004)
JWZ redirects all accesses with Referer: news.ycombinator.com to this image [NSFW] http://imgur.com/32R3qLv
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by mosselman on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:55PM
(#12039061)
Haha, some might argue that he has a point.
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by omnibrain on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:46PM
(#12039003)
jwz doesn't like Hacker News so he redirects traffic from Hacker News to a picture of a testicle.
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by therestisgone on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @04:54PM
(#12039478)
static hosting is hard
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by aklemm on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:44PM
(#12038992)
jwz is such a...unique individual.
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by kuschku on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:54PM
(#12039059)
Btw, @dang: Can't you just automatically turn every jzw.org link into one redirecting through href.li or donotlink? Or maybe even to the archive.org version?
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by ivraatiems on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @11:33PM
(#12041034)
I'd say the archive.org version -- if he doesn't want HN pageviews, let's not give him any.
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by makecheck on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:46PM
(#12039007)
It would seem that his server auto-displays an image based on the referrer.
If you want to see the original article you have to copy and paste the URL into a browser yourself, and not click the link from this site.
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by nostrademons on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @03:45PM
(#12038997)
Startup API cases also often have a chicken & egg situation: you can't know what a good API is until you've had several clients use it, but then you have several clients who will be broken if you change it.
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by tomc1985 on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @05:32PM
(#12039697)
I would think that the first rule of API design is to use it yourself whilst wearing the customers' shoes, and with that approach a large proportion of cases like that would become apparent. Or one could look at some of the longest-standing APIs (WindowS API is one) out there and observe how they evolve it to cope this requirements changes. There's still some chicken-and-egg situation in there but much of the ambiguity can be resolved with the right technique.
The REAL problem is we have all these startup turds churning out ideas faster than they can think about them, and the HN crowd has built an entire ecosystem to facilitate that churn
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by ozim on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @04:38PM
(#12039384)
+1 for startup api. It is a bit sad but the same goes for code. It rots really quick and it might not be worth building solid foundations because in next year it will be out of buisness and building solid foundation takes 6 months...
Re:Why do we keep building rotten foundations?
by Sanddancer on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @04:41PM
(#12039400)
In this case, it's much less responsible to do so. You have people who rely on their software to get things done. Making them jump through hoops like this just leads to frustration, or them abandoning using your program.
In startup API cases: Because it takes 10x longer to build a solid foundation, and you don't yet know whether that's worth it -- time to proof is more important. And once you have proof, well, you can't change it easily...