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Re:The Brexit Possibility by UK-AL on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:51PM (#11995312)
What's actually going to happen is that we leave the EU, but move to the EEA keeping trade and free movement.
Re:The Brexit Possibility by fidget on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:53PM (#11995336)
Maybe. No one knows.
Re:The Brexit Possibility by Oletros on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:52PM (#11995321)
So, worst conditions than now
Re:The Brexit Possibility by lhnz on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:54PM (#11995342)
No [0].

There are quite a few ways in which that might be considered better, or at least a step in the right direction.

[0] http://static1.squarespace.com/static/56eddde762cd9413e151ac...

Re:The Brexit Possibility by Oletros on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:56PM (#11995363)
Can you give us the source for that chart because it is very curious what they say.

Look at Norway and Switzerland

Re:The Brexit Possibility by UK-AL on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:58PM (#11995374)
Norway and Switzerland are brilliant examples of success outside of the EU.

Switzerland has some of the highest quality of life you can get.

They also have higher per capita gdp

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=per+capita+gdp+of+norwa...

Re:The Brexit Possibility by lhnz on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:01PM (#11995402)
Switzerland is part of EFTA which is one step above the EEA [0] as-is my understanding. It would apparently take longer to negotiate this, however there is some political will for the UK to join [1] so it's not something that's impossible given a bit of time and exploration of each countries incentives.

Longer-term it might be better if the UK diversifies more, and begins to trade less with Europe, and more with booming Asian economies or countries which share its language.

Obviously in the short-term there will be a lot of noise: FUD and posturing.

[0] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmBqSu-WgAEFHSa.jpg:large

[1] http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/european-economic-area_switzerla...

Re:The Brexit Possibility by Oletros on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:26PM (#11995641)
Now look the treaties and duties both of them have.

Both of them are part of Shengen Area, UK no. And one important thing for the leave campaign

Re:The Brexit Possibility by RandomBookmarks on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:22PM (#11995598)
This chart is wrong in at least one line (probably many more): Norway pays about the same per capita as the UK does/did (source: interview of the german treasury secretary, Schauble).

So while the Norwegian model is a valid option - it does not save the UK a single Euro.

Re:The Brexit Possibility by lhnz on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:42PM (#11995797)
Alright, I asked ASI to correct the numbers if they are wrong.

I did also read the Telegraph's article about Michael Burrage's book on this [0] which said something similar, however I trust their ability to report less than the ASI:

  > Our free access is not free access at all. Arguing for the single
  > market on the grounds that you can avoid a 3 per cent tariff
  > by actually paying 7 per cent fee is mis-selling on a scale
  > that dwarfs the PPI scandal.
[0] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/not-only-can-brit...
Re:The Brexit Possibility by lhnz on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:59PM (#11995382)
It's the Adam Smith Institute's research on the EEA Option:

http://www.adamsmith.org/evolution-not-revolution

Re:The Brexit Possibility by mjevans on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:09PM (#11995473)
My mostly uninformed gut reaction is that such an outcome is unlikely. The EU would probably /need/ to be too punitive to anyone attempting to leave to allow that; otherwise it risks everyone opting for that deal.

The outcome that I hope for is that Article 50 is not invoked, and that instead everyone in the UK Government is replaced in a general election of no-confidence.

What would be simply amazing is if some scheme for making multi-nationals pay taxes and environmental impacts properly was enforced in the first world markets.

Re:The Brexit Possibility by UK-AL on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:12PM (#11995496)
"The EU would probably /need/ to be too punitive to anyone attempting to leave" - Considering merkel just ruled out being punitive in negotiations I doubt it.

She has cars to sell.

Re:The Brexit Possibility by airesQ on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:17PM (#11995553)
It doesn't matter.

This is not basic utilitarianism, there is game theory involved. You have to be willing to take a loss on some deals to achieve the equilibrium you want.

Re:The Brexit Possibility by UK-AL on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:19PM (#11995570)
The alternative is many many many people in Germany and france losing their jobs.

It's just not politically allowable, not to.

Re:The Brexit Possibility by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:39PM (#11995778)
she has cars to sell in the UK but the rest of Europe not so much.