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Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by ocdtrekkie on Friday June 24, 2016 @10:09AM (#11969843)
It's a little sad specifically his own government didn't provide him much help. Numerous other issues with the US aside, I've always been reasonably confident that if I'm out of the country, the American embassy will help me.

And going after the IT staff is pretty awful. Generally speaking, we're just there to make it work. While I make a point to work jobs and clients I think do good work and are moral entities, the reality is, IT doesn't generally decide what a company does or what messes they get themselves involved with.

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by pascalmemories on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:17AM (#11970399)
> I've always been reasonably confident that if I'm out of the country, the American embassy will help me.

You and many Americans. Helpfully aided in that belief by TV programs like Beyond Borders where US authorities act as the World Police jumping into other countries and taking over investigations and rescuing US citizens from any and every scrape they get themselves into.

Outside your own country, your local authorities have very little ability to do much and certainly won't help you in any relatively minor scrapes (nor in most major ones either). Although the US exerts more external influence than it really should, that's limited to guarding US interests (like copyright protection or drug related things).

Unless you happen to be key to US national interest, you'll be on your own, apart from a visit in prison from the embassy staff to let you know that they know you're there - just like the citizens of every other country, as Andrew Nõmm found out.

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by zeveb on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:24PM (#11971056)
> Outside your own country, your local authorities have very little ability to do much

Oh, they have the ability, c.f. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Perdicaris#Perdicaris_inci... (threat of war if an American citizen were not released) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Jenkins'_Ear (war over abuse of an English subject) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars (wars to prevent enslavement of American sailors).

'Release our citizen or we start shelling' can be a very effective diplomatic tool. It's just that they normally don't bother.

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by hydrogen18 on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:50PM (#11973774)
The Barbary wars were conducted because of the economic impact of taking American sailors as slaves. Free-ing the enslaved sailors was just a value-added benefit.
Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by coldtea on Friday June 24, 2016 @09:42PM (#11974780)
The most recent of those examples is from 1904.

And there were still "national interest"/"political" reasons in most of them.

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by yardie on Friday June 24, 2016 @03:20PM (#11972637)
the American embassy will help me.

They will send a consular to make sure you aren't being mistreated while being detained. They will give you a list of english speaking attorneys you can retain for your trial. They may even call your family back home to wire money to your english speaking trial lawyer.

That is about all the help you will get. For this "service" you are expected to file taxes to the US no matter where you work.

During the Yemen civil war while every other country was frantically evacuating their citizens the US did nothing. They did issue a warning saying you should probably leave. A lot of US Citizens, working in foreign aid, found out exactly how far the US was willing to go, not very far at all. Not like how the movies portrays it at all.

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by Kristine1975 on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:38AM (#11970602)
>IT doesn't generally decide what a company does

But IT helps the company do what it decided to do (not that I think Megaupload did something bad).

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by _audakel on Friday June 24, 2016 @02:04PM (#11972014)
On the one hand information wants to be expensive, because it's so valuable. The right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information wants to be free, because the cost of getting it out is getting lower and lower all the time. So you have these two fighting against each other

   Stewart Brand
Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by lisivka on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:40PM (#11971229)
See case of John Demjanjuk[1] . USA citizen was extradited twice: to Israel and to Germany as "nazi". After his death, FBI confirmed that they know that he is innocent.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by Xylakant on Friday June 24, 2016 @02:16PM (#11972114)
> After his death, FBI confirmed that they know that he is innocent.

Nitpick: The FBI confirmed that according to their opinion one piece of evidence was a fake.

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by lisivka on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:26PM (#11973615)
Major evidence is fake. Do you know any other evidences?

Throughout three decades of US hearings, an extradition, a death sentence followed by acquittal in Israel, a deportation and now a trial in Munich, the arguments have relied heavily on the photo ID from an SS training camp that indicates Demjanjuk was sent to Sobibor.

Claims that the card and other evidence against Demjanjuk are Soviet forgeries have repeatedly been made by Demjanjuk's defense attorneys. However, the FBI report provides the first known confirmation that American investigators had similar doubts.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4056137,00.html

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by jsprogrammer on Friday June 24, 2016 @02:27PM (#11972198)
The link says he was deported for concealing his involvement with a Nazi death camp on his immigration forms.

Where did the FBI confirm his innocence?

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by lisivka on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:31PM (#11973651)
Quote from Wikipedia:

In 2011 the Associated Press had uncovered a secret 1985 FBI report which indicated that a Nazi ID card showing that Demjanjuk had served as a death camp guard was a Soviet-made fake.

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by jsprogrammer on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:42PM (#11973724)
From the same place:

He survived the ordeal, and volunteered to be sent to the Trawniki concentration camp division utilized for the training Hiwi guards recruited from Soviet POWs

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by lisivka on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:48PM (#11973758)
Yep, we are talking about this fake evidence.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/04/fbi_secret_repor...

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by golergka on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:23PM (#11973585)
Any person who would even briefly read the wikipedia article you linked would see obvious problems with your comment. Did you read the article before linking it?
Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by lisivka on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:36PM (#11973687)
Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by vxNsr on Friday June 24, 2016 @02:31PM (#11972224)
It's important to note that he died naturally, and that this Wikipedia article assumes he's innocent despite there behind evidence to the contrary.
Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by lisivka on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:30PM (#11973646)
FAKE evidence. Moreover, he was freed by Israeli Supreme Court.
Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by rhino369 on Friday June 24, 2016 @01:22PM (#11971666)
"Just following orders" is a bad defense when you have the option to just refuse and find another job.

The terrible part is that Kim Dotcom has been able to avoid jail for the same crime this guy committed just because he has the money to fight.

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by lostlogin on Friday June 24, 2016 @03:18PM (#11972619)
The gross procedural violations and disgusting behaviour of our (New Zealand) government have helped his case at this point. The judiciary have taken a pretty dim view of John Key's teams' antics.
Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by fweespeech on Friday June 24, 2016 @03:19PM (#11972625)
...except when those orders are to build something innocuous.

If someone told me to build some filesharing software and give it to them, making me responsible for the content is absurd. Its basically the legal equivalent of holding Dropbox developers responsible for piracy.

The only difference is Megaupload was public and blatant enough in English-speaking media (of which the programmer was not a native speaker) for Americans to say "Yes, he should have known what it is for."

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by rhino369 on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:09PM (#11973045)
What got him in hot water was the fact that Megaupload clearly knew about specific instances of copyright infringement and still went ahead anyway. And this guy knew about it and kept working there helping them do it.

> I also had to sign my name to all of the evidence that had already been collected—for example, to the fact that Megaupload ignored complaints from time to time and did not remove illegal content fast enough. If anyone had any doubts about a file, Kim always calmed them down and said there was nothing to worry about.

Re:From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tell... by fweespeech on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @11:57AM (#12037285)
> What got him in hot water was the fact that Megaupload clearly knew about specific instances of copyright infringement and still went ahead anyway. And this guy knew about it and kept working there helping them do it.

Do we know it was actually illegal in the country he resided?

As far as I'm aware, the reason he had to be brought to the US was he was within the law in his home country.