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Re:UK votes to leave EU by ricksplat on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:18AM (#11967796)
The elites are one thing, and actual European people are another. Of course the elites have a disproportionate amount of control but that's true of any institution but it doesn't invalidate the institution. European people by and large enjoy a better quality of life because of free trade, movement and most importantly peace. That there's one set of scoundrels at the top vs another isn't as important as is made out. At the end of the day all that will happen in the UK now is a new set of elites take control (the old rule Britannia brigade that were previously on the wane) and there won't be the buffer of a larger enveloping organisation to help smooth over the bumps. Britain has been declining recently because that's what happens to spent colonial powers, not because they were in the EU.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by sievebrain on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:33AM (#11967857)
Of course people benefit. And if the EU had never existed, many of those same benefits would have been created via a patchwork of treaties and deals anyway.

The EU is not a choice between integration and chaos, despite what Brussels wants people to believe. European economies were integrating before the EU anyway.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by _ph_ on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:49AM (#11967956)
Many benefits for sure, especially if you live in one of the richer countries. But what the EU gives you are certain rights, which are guaranteed to any EU citizen. Movement is no longer governed by treaties, but a right. As a business, you have the right to sell across Europe, without local regulations being able to ban you unilaterally.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by sievebrain on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:54AM (#11968304)
Good luck selling software across the EU if you live there. Check out the new VAT rules the EU imposed. It's less paperwork to sell to everywhere but the EU, which is madness.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by distances on Friday June 24, 2016 @06:44AM (#11968619)
That's a different thing, you sure have the right to sell your software. Unification of VAT policies would be a hard sell for the member countries.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by p_eter_p on Friday June 24, 2016 @09:17AM (#11969547)
How is this different from having to account for different state and local taxes when selling software inside the US?
Re:UK votes to leave EU by peyton on Friday June 24, 2016 @01:05PM (#11971511)
Your payment processor tacks on sales tax. Just list where you have nexus. You get a number at the end of the quarter that you pay when you file taxes.

With VAT, you have to keep careful track of input VAT and sometimes later claim repayment from various governments.

There is a lot of obligatory registration and document submission.

The velocity of legislative change is high, especially when summed across member states.

Small entities have an incentive to underreport. Thus, a lot of enforcement activity is targeted at small entities.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by deno on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:34AM (#11968208)
I think a lot of EU members would rather take the Swiss[1] deal.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland%E2%80%93European_U...

Re:UK votes to leave EU by teacup50 on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:39AM (#11968221)
Instead, you get European regulations that ban you locally.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by ricksplat on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:46AM (#11967930)
> European economies were integrating before the EU anyway.

No no no, the EU is an artefact of that integration. Just because it's grown a head and legs, and started to talk isn't an excuse to kill it though. Better off talking back. But when the quality of representative you send over is Nigel Farage you can't expect much of a conversation.

Definitely a frank discussion to be had about the behaviour of the EU (in particular the EC) and maybe such a discussion will be the good that arises from this ill wind.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by sievebrain on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:56AM (#11968314)
People vote for Farage because the only difference between MEPs is how much of a symbolic protest against the Commission they will make. There's no other difference: it's not like an MEP can introduce a bill to change freedom of movement or reduce the EU's budget.

So the UK sends Farage. He achieves nothing. Nobody cares, because nobody expected him to achieve anything anyway. No MEP could.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by ricksplat on Friday June 24, 2016 @10:49AM (#11970174)
Yes you are right. Political parties need to present a Euro agenda that their representatives will commit to advancing. Currently we only have the false dichotomy of (a) do what Brussels tells us or (b) tell Brussels to GFT which really isn't good enough. Sending the prime minister over there every 6 months or so to "get concessions" that the representatives should have been coherently campaigning for in the first place doesn't count.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by i7i on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:40AM (#11967898)
In that case the EU isn't a choice at all.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by ommunist on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:05PM (#11973007)
Peace in Europe? You gotta be kidding. NATO bombed down Yugoslavia less than 20 years ago.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by ptaipale on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:54PM (#11973804)
Well, Russian militia bombs Ukraine today, and that is Europe too.

But it's not EU, nor is Yugoslavia.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by ommunist on Sunday June 26, 2016 @10:26AM (#11980920)
What is Ukraine? UK Reign?