https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Gorske
I feel like if people skip sugary drinks and large fries they are eating better at McDonald's than most people eat at home.
http://www.marketplace.org/2013/07/03/sustainability/freakon...
McDonald's isn't a large part of our mostly wholesome diet. I feel good about what my kids eat on a day to day basis.
Also, I'm the mother. It's not really germane to the issue, but everyone in this thread assumed otherwise.
I'm curious about how the stigma actually plays out - do people you know actually say things to you about it? Would you actually experience more negative interactions if you just did what you want, or has it been internalized because you know people would disapprove?
Once we hadn't been to the grocery store in unusually long, and spent the weekend eating the things in the freezer and the back of the cupboards. We mentioned to the kids that we were out of food. My son went to preschool the next day and congratulated his teachers on always having food available.
Full stop. No need to continue with the rest of your judgements.
Parenting is a very hard job, and it's only made worse by all the parents (and even worse--non-parents) that want to make judgements.
Being a parent, I now have a profound respect and appreciation for my parents (especially my mother). Things weren't always great, but they did the best they could.
Is parenting some sacred thing, immune from analysis or criticism? Does parenting happen outside the realm of logic or reason, where all decisions are good, and any attempt at measurement or objectivity is worthless?
"Good internet citizenship."
Keep your criticism relevant to the topic, which was: McDonald's used as a community center in poor neighborhoods. Not, how to teach your kids good eating habits.
> Is parenting some sacred thing, immune from analysis or criticism?
Parenting MY kids, most definitely is sacred.
There is nothing sacred about your parenting that makes it above scrutiny. Nothing whatsoever.
Also, I never told a story about how I parent my kids.
In other words, my spouse can criticize my parenting everyone else can go frack themselves. Full stop.
Performing hard work doesn't make you immune from doing that work poorly, and it's kind of alarming to me that this insular attitude is so popular on HN.
That's what I've called 'free from being critisized' so yeah. Not sure what you mean by "No one is free from criticism". If you refer to rights of other people to express their critical opinion - sure, let them run their mouths in their own space.
The problems begin (as usual) when A is being forced to listen to B's opinions either because A cannot move away or because Bs are too numerous. That's where I think that B should have to shut up. "Your freedom to fo X ends etc etc". Participating in hard work is an aggravating factor here, meaning B should have to shut the f up right now or be forcefully removed.
In case of doubt just imaging an idiot shouting their mouth at the working surgeon.
A needs to learn to tolerate B, basically. A isn't performing surgery, A is trying to write comments on HN.
Huh? The topic was about people doing hard work. Writing comments is easy.
Dude, I was growing up in the dying days of the Soviet Union, with empty shelves and lines and ration cards, and growing vegetables on a little private plot to make it through the winter without vitamin deficiency. I know very well what it's like to try to provide the best you can for your family when the circumstances don't allow you to provide much at all.
But there's an enormous difference between going to a fast food place because the kids are hungry and the fridge is empty and that's the place which is open and nearby and affordable, and regularly bringing kids to a fast food place just because I like the ambience.
And as a general principle, if I am not open to criticism and judgment of others, I am hobbling my ability improve. In any aspect of life. Work or scholarship or raising a child.
OP: shared personal experience related to topic of the article.
You: shared off-topic comment that teaching kids to eat at McD's is not good.
Me: Directly--don't share your judgements on how the OP chooses to parent (also off-topic).
You could do much worse.
How?
You are purposely believing all this complete marketing BS so you don't have to feel like a junky if you eat this industrial trashfood.
And I can really not figure out for myself what could be more trashy than McDonalds food. Maybe living solely on peanut butter sandwiches and chocolate, but maybe even that would be better, as they are not full of flavor enhancer.
And actually I am not a McDonalds hater, I love to eat their hamburger. But it's like drinking beer, it's a drug, not food.
The apple: it's raw apple cut into slices... not fried, nor from a fictional bakery that their marketing apparently makes you think they want people to believe.
What does where the cows are milked matter, judge nutritional value between chocolate milk and sugar-filled soda. Maybe your judgement of chocolate milk is negative (sure, it's not the healthiest drink in the world) and I can't say I've ever looked up it's nutrional information, but... it's flavoured milk. It comes from cows, somewhere.
If you can't understand the logic that McDonalds serve lots of types of food and that some of them are more healthy and less healthy compared to each other then I'm not sure how to explain it better.
Same for the chocolate milk. But I leave it up to you to find out what great inventions of the chemical industry enable this always same creamy taste without clumped together cacao.
And the argument about bigger portions has something to do with eating habits, but not with healthy food.
Saying a foodstuff has come into contact with a chemical somewhere in the process means nothing without more information, yet you expect it to be taken as an automatic negative.
http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/product_nutrition.snacks...
> Ingredients: Apples, Calcium Ascorbate (a blend of Calcium and Vitamin C to maintain freshness and color).
Scary stuff! I guess the wax that is on apples at the grocery store is missing, but hey it still seems like real food to me.
And that is wrong, it doesn't matter what you eat at MacDonalds. You can swap the coke against "chocolate milk" to reduce sugar, therefore you get more emulsifier and more preservative. You can swap french fries for apple slices to get less fat, but therefore you get another mix of chemicals without any vitamins left. And all this discussion when the Deli around the corner sells fresh apples ...
That's quite an amusing statement, given that the "mix of chemicals" you're criticising is Vitamin C and Calcium.
I don't like McDonald's either, but they're not the personified evil you insinuate them to be.
That's how you know the McDonalds hate is really about judging and not about health.
It's like people who only care about rape when there's a Muslim suspect. If they really cared about it, they would talk about it outside of the context of religion.