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Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by balls187 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @01:58PM (#11903926)
> Your kids are your kids and it's your choice how to raise them.

Full stop. No need to continue with the rest of your judgements.

Parenting is a very hard job, and it's only made worse by all the parents (and even worse--non-parents) that want to make judgements.

Being a parent, I now have a profound respect and appreciation for my parents (especially my mother). Things weren't always great, but they did the best they could.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by dimino on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @03:39PM (#11904720)
What kind of attitude is this, really?

Is parenting some sacred thing, immune from analysis or criticism? Does parenting happen outside the realm of logic or reason, where all decisions are good, and any attempt at measurement or objectivity is worthless?

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by balls187 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @05:56PM (#11905652)
> What kind of attitude is this, really?

"Good internet citizenship."

Keep your criticism relevant to the topic, which was: McDonald's used as a community center in poor neighborhoods. Not, how to teach your kids good eating habits.

> Is parenting some sacred thing, immune from analysis or criticism?

Parenting MY kids, most definitely is sacred.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by dimino on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @06:04PM (#11905699)
Sorry friend, but when you told a story about how you parent your kids, you put your parenting within the purview of the topic.

There is nothing sacred about your parenting that makes it above scrutiny. Nothing whatsoever.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by balls187 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @06:18PM (#11905792)
I'm not your friend, buddy.

Also, I never told a story about how I parent my kids.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by dimino on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @06:38PM (#11905907)
This isn't reddit, no need to meme, and I meant the royal "you". When one brings up one's parenting strategy, it becomes topical.
Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by nikdaheratik on Wednesday June 15, 2016 @12:16AM (#11907140)
Maybe because most parents, especially new parents, already get enough of that "friendly advice" from strangers on the street, in the shops, at the park, and everywhere else.
Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:16PM (#11904059)
No, not full stop. Just because raising kids, being a police officer, digging a ditch is "hard work" doesn't free someone from having that work criticized.
Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by balls187 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:19PM (#11904083)
Strawman Argument.
Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by gh-lfneu28 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:32PM (#11904186)
Actually everyone should be free from being criticized, except for the people with the authority to do so. That goes double for people doing hard work and triple for people doing work that every joe shmoe on the internet thinks himself an expert on.

In other words, my spouse can criticize my parenting everyone else can go frack themselves. Full stop.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by dimino on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @03:41PM (#11904730)
No one is free from criticism, what they're free from is being forced to listen to it. No one's making anyone else here participate in the discussion.

Performing hard work doesn't make you immune from doing that work poorly, and it's kind of alarming to me that this insular attitude is so popular on HN.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by gh-lfneu28 on Wednesday June 15, 2016 @11:18AM (#11909821)
> they're free from is being forced to listen to it

That's what I've called 'free from being critisized' so yeah. Not sure what you mean by "No one is free from criticism". If you refer to rights of other people to express their critical opinion - sure, let them run their mouths in their own space.

The problems begin (as usual) when A is being forced to listen to B's opinions either because A cannot move away or because Bs are too numerous. That's where I think that B should have to shut up. "Your freedom to fo X ends etc etc". Participating in hard work is an aggravating factor here, meaning B should have to shut the f up right now or be forcefully removed.

In case of doubt just imaging an idiot shouting their mouth at the working surgeon.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by dimino on Wednesday June 15, 2016 @11:57AM (#11910092)
Sorry, numerousness or locality are not criteria for removing a person's right to expression.

A needs to learn to tolerate B, basically. A isn't performing surgery, A is trying to write comments on HN.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by gh-lfneu28 on Wednesday June 15, 2016 @12:31PM (#11910295)
> A is trying to write comments on HN

Huh? The topic was about people doing hard work. Writing comments is easy.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by dimino on Thursday June 16, 2016 @01:01AM (#11914115)
The topic was McDonald's being used as community centers in poor neighborhoods.
Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by tetromino_ on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:54PM (#11904367)
> Being a parent, I now have a profound respect and appreciation for my parents (especially my mother). Things weren't always great, but they did the best they could.

Dude, I was growing up in the dying days of the Soviet Union, with empty shelves and lines and ration cards, and growing vegetables on a little private plot to make it through the winter without vitamin deficiency. I know very well what it's like to try to provide the best you can for your family when the circumstances don't allow you to provide much at all.

But there's an enormous difference between going to a fast food place because the kids are hungry and the fridge is empty and that's the place which is open and nearby and affordable, and regularly bringing kids to a fast food place just because I like the ambience.

And as a general principle, if I am not open to criticism and judgment of others, I am hobbling my ability improve. In any aspect of life. Work or scholarship or raising a child.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by balls187 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @03:16PM (#11904550)
I think you missed my point.

OP: shared personal experience related to topic of the article.

You: shared off-topic comment that teaching kids to eat at McD's is not good.

Me: Directly--don't share your judgements on how the OP chooses to parent (also off-topic).