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Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by PaulRobinson on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:38AM (#11882515)
1. Buy mine in Serbia

2. Invest hundreds of millions in mine

3. Have mine taken off you by Putin one day when he's pissed off at the US State Department and wants to strut to the Russian electorate

4. Cry

Seriously, you would be utterly insane to invest in Russia at the moment with money from US, UK or EU. The reason Rio Tinto are so reluctant to invest might well be because they know it could be taken off them tomorrow.

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by dang on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:32PM (#11884943)
Please don't take threads on generic political tangents, and please don't start political flamewars on Hacker News.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11882467 and marked it off-topic.

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by smcl on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:44AM (#11882532)
Not sure if you're trolling, but Serbia is not Russia. Serbia was part of Yugoslavia before the breakup, and it was vaguely heading in the direction of EU membership until recently.

However I think that effort has stalled in recent past and relations with Russia got a tiny bit cosier, so you might not actually be so wrong after all :)

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by Reason077 on Saturday June 11, 2016 @04:15AM (#11882619)
This reminds me of the time I went hiking in Austria. A lovely country, but it wasn't what I was expecting. All beaches and desert!
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by smcl on Saturday June 11, 2016 @06:55AM (#11882999)
:D

I actually had no idea anyone had trouble with those countries until I visited Vienna and the tourist shops had a bunch of ironic t-shirts with Kangaroos and boomerangs on them and stuff.

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by moron4hire on Saturday June 11, 2016 @08:36AM (#11883240)
Holy shit. Now that you say that, I saw the same thing in Salzburg and just didn't make the connection.

Maybe it was because I was in "speaking German" mode, so Austria is "Österriech" vs Australia is "Australien".

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by gaius on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:55AM (#11882859)
Crimea is not Russia either. Oh wait yes it is now. All bets are off in that part of the world right now. And prospective EU membership just makes things worse; it was Ukraine snuggling up to the EU that provoked Russia into intervening...
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by michaelt on Saturday June 11, 2016 @10:47AM (#11883608)
To get from Russia to Serbia you'd have to go through Hungary or Romania both of which are EU member states.

I know the EU doesn't have a history of coordinated military action. But if tanks crossed EU borders France, Germany, Britain and Italy couldn't ignore that.

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by gaius on Saturday June 11, 2016 @11:23AM (#11883746)
NATO is the mutual defence pact, the EU was spectacularly ineffective in the former Yugoslavia.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by michaelt on Saturday June 11, 2016 @04:17PM (#11885142)
Yugoslavia wasn't part of the EU at the time though?

You can't really judge how an alliance will respond to conflict crossing their borders on the basis of how they've responded to conflict outside their borders. Governments and militaries think borders are a pretty big deal!

More generally, there are some people in "the European project" who would like to see a United States of Europe with its own foreign policy and military. But this is pretty unpopular with voters in most member states, so everyone involved is happy to keep that level of integration on the back burner, leaving member states to respond how they like to foreign military conflicts while the EU maintains "We're a pacifist trading union, not a belligerent military alliance or a superstate, shucks we don't even have a military"

Politicians are happy to keep kicking the can down the road on EU military coordination for as long as it's politically convenient. But if an EU member state was invaded, they couldn't do that any more; they would have no chance but to make a decision.

And public opinion is far more likely to support (and may even demand) a tough, belligerent stance if Russian tanks have are invading our allies.

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by smcl on Saturday June 11, 2016 @06:54AM (#11882998)
(edit: deleted my comment, decided that Russia is an inflammatory topic unrelated to the article posted)
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by powertower on Saturday June 11, 2016 @09:02PM (#11886153)
> Crimea is not Russia either.

Crimea was part of Russia longer than the US has existed. While its previous host, Ukraine, has only existed as a country for 20-some odd years.

Once the government of Ukraine was overthrown, the people of Crimea had every right to decide to stay or leave. And you will not find a single poll before-or-after not showing an overwhelming support for the latter.

> it was Ukraine snuggling up to the EU that provoked Russia into intervening...

A foreign-lead coup of a twice elected democratic government that put in a puppet regime for the sole purpose of creating problems for Russia is what lead things to the way they went.

Right now, what is happening in the eastern parts of Ukraine is a civil war - resulting from ethnic cleansing, neocon agenda, etc. And what is happening in the west of Ukraine is a total economic collapse from the so called free-trade deals with the EU.

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by x0x0 on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:56AM (#11882570)
I assume (hope?) he misread Siberia.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by smcl on Saturday June 11, 2016 @06:55AM (#11883001)
Yep
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by forgetsusername on Saturday June 11, 2016 @07:52AM (#11883119)
But the point stands that owning a resource extraction facility in a foreign country on the other side of the planet isn't a trivial undertaking.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by r0muald on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:42AM (#11882526)
0. Look a map and observe that Serbia is a separate country from Russia, a few thousand kilometers away.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by lisivka on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:19AM (#11882775)
Ukraine is separate country, and Moldova is separate country, and Belarus is separate country, and Afghanistan is separate country, and Caucasus is separate country, and so on...
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by r0muald on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:31AM (#11882807)
Not sure what point you're trying to make. Plus, Caucasus is not a country. Yes, Russia has a lot of international influence outside their borders, but that doesn't mean the ill-informed observation by the GP was meaningful in any way.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by lisivka on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:57AM (#11882862)
Sorry, Georgia and Azerbaijan. So they have influence, including direct military operations, but their influence is not strong enough to make something to single mine?

Let me remember that whole military operation in Ukraine is done by Russia to stop Shell from mining of natural gas in Eastern Ukraine.

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by qaq on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:31AM (#11882806)
If it start drifting away from Russia politically emergence of pro-russian rebels (surprisingly well armed) will be arranged by Putin.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by pilsetnieks on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:55AM (#11882858)
It has never been politically close to Russia, even in the Soviet era, when it was a part of Yugoslavia. (Especially when it was Yugoslavia - Stalin tried to have Tito killed several times. They were both communist countries but that's the only thing common between them.)

Had they not been so warhungry in the 90s, they could be a part of EU and NATO now, like Croatia.

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by labster on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:46AM (#11882544)
The good thing about living behind Lithium Curtain is that you not feel need for cry.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by cbenneh on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:45AM (#11882542)
Maybe check the map first? It's a long way from Russia to Serbia...
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by lisivka on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:32AM (#11882809)
Russia already captured Crimea and eastern Moldova. They need to capture south Ukraine and part of Romania/Bulgaria. As I see, Russians already making steps in that direction. For example, they creating fake national groups for smaller ethnic groups, e.g. for my ethnic group (I am Lemko, small Ukrainian subethnic group at west of Ukraine, east of Poland and Slovakia). To control us, they are inventing new language, new alphabet, created "World Congress of Lemko people", and so on, trying to separate us from Ukrainians.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by icebraining on Saturday June 11, 2016 @11:52AM (#11883876)
Russia captured eastern Moldova? When did they lose it in the first place? I thought the region was locked between Moldova and Russia since the former declared independence.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by lisivka on Saturday June 11, 2016 @01:19PM (#11884288)
Russia has military bases and pro-russian forces in eastern Moldova. Russia has plans to attack south of Ukraine (Odessa) from these bases. Please tell me difference between that and "captured".
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by PeterisP on Saturday June 11, 2016 @02:51PM (#11884745)
Well, the difference is that the current situation is like "had it, didn't let go, and still control it" but "captured" means "didn't have it, and took it".
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by p0ppe on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:43AM (#11882529)
Serbia is an independent country currently negotiating an EU-memebership. In order to get to Serbia, Russia would have to go through at least one EU-contry or Turkey.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by mschuster91 on Saturday June 11, 2016 @04:15AM (#11882621)
Serbia won't become an EU member anytime soon.

1) its economy is far too screwed up for the EU to include

2) there's still the Kosovo problem, that won't go away soon

3) Croatia and Slovenia will veto an EU membership of Serbia.

It is more than likely that Serbia will turn to Putin instead - and when Putin says "shut them down", Serbia will comply.

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by icebraining on Saturday June 11, 2016 @11:52AM (#11883869)
Why do you say that? The negotiations seem to have been progressing since 2011, and Slovenia ratified Serbia's Stabilisation and Association Agreement without delay; they only seemed to have faced opposition from Lithuania.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by mschuster91 on Saturday June 11, 2016 @12:38PM (#11884088)
Negotiations went on with Turkey for years, too, and in the end nothing happened.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by us0r on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:44AM (#11882534)
>Serbia is an independent country

Could say the same about Ukraine

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by pilsetnieks on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:59AM (#11882865)
Serbia doesn't even border Russia. You could say the same about Germany, Czech Republic, or Portugal.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by lisivka on Saturday June 11, 2016 @06:16AM (#11882896)
Eastern Moldova is counter-example.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by icebraining on Saturday June 11, 2016 @11:40AM (#11883823)
Transnistria has been in a stalemate since before stopped calling itself a Soviet Socialist Republic; it wasn't (re)invaded later.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by lisivka on Saturday June 11, 2016 @01:44PM (#11884403)
Historically, Transnistria in USSR was used as military foothold, to capture Moldova, pretending that this is just a conflict or a civil war. Russian Empire/USSR/Russia used that trick many many times. For example, Ukraine was captured by USSR using "Kharkiv People Republic" controlled by Moscow. Today, Russia tries to capture Ukraine again using "Lugansk People Republic" and "Donetsk People Republic".

Transistria is at border of Ukraine and Moldova, owned by both, with roughly equal populations, but both Moldovans and large part of Ukrainians were at same side. For example, leader of separatists was captured by Moldovan police in Ukraine capital city. Why "conflict" happen if both native nations were at same side?

Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by PinguTS on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:57AM (#11882575)
Geht a geography class.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by StavrosK on Saturday June 11, 2016 @04:37AM (#11882678)
Man, I read this comment and thought "wow, I didn't realize Serbia had such close ties to Russia still, that Putin could just do something like this". Glad to see I wasn't that wrong.
Re:Tesla offered $325M for Salton Sea startup by discardorama on Saturday June 11, 2016 @01:02PM (#11884209)
Serbia and Siberia are 2 different places. Quite different, in fact.