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Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by oppositelock on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @03:36PM (#11864965)
It's illegal to work for free today, unless you're a Congressional intern, since they exempted themselves from the law. Lots of "my grandfather..." stories are illegal in today's US, land of freedom and such.
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by derekp7 on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @03:47PM (#11865062)
In this case, you could still work for free, as a volunteer at a charity. Or attend user group meetings and give presentations. That is one way to increase your network.
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by vonmoltke on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @03:51PM (#11865099)
> Or attend user group meetings and give presentations.

You realize the article specifically highlighted that as one of the bad pieces of advice proffered on the Internet.

Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by derekp7 on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:14PM (#11865284)
I don't see that in there -- I see where it mentions about writing blog posts is bad advice, so this may be similar. However, I don't think they are saying it is bad per se, just that it won't magically land you a job.

However, presenting in front of a peer group does do a couple things. First, you have to prepare, which helps you realize what skill you actually have. Secondly you end up building a lot of self confidence, especially on the topics that you are presenting on.

Which in my case somehow worked major magic. When I was last unemployed for about 4 months, I seemed to have flubbed a couple interviews. Well, I went to some Linux user group meetings, presented on a couple technical topics I was passionate about, and then offered to help anyone with problems that they were having on any of their environments (this was related to things like iptables configurations, clustering, virtualization, etc). The following week I went into an interview, and it was like I was watching myself on auto-pilot. Identifying problems and offering possible solutions, picking up on what was working or not based on body language, dynamically adjusting my message to fit what the interviewer was looking for, and I landed the job and started the next day.

Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by vonmoltke on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:34PM (#11865424)
> I don't see that in there -- I see where it mentions about writing blog posts is bad advice, so this may be similar. However, I don't think they are saying it is bad per se, just that it won't magically land you a job.

Sorry, you're right. I read that bit in the linked article about getting a job with no connections.[1]

> However, presenting in front of a peer group does do a couple things. First, you have to prepare, which helps you realize what skill you actually have. Secondly you end up building a lot of self confidence, especially on the topics that you are presenting on.

I think you are definitely right on that. The more experience you get explaining things to strangers, the better you will do in interviews. I took the "free work" section of the article as being more focused on audition than practice, though.

[1] http://cultivatedculture.com/how-to-get-a-job-anywhere-no-co...

Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by st3v3r on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:58PM (#11865609)
For very good reason. For every "my grandfather" story, there are probably 5 more whom were simply taken advantage of, with the hiring person having absolutely no intention of hiring them.
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by bitchypat on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:22PM (#11865769)
I bet they would have kept trying the same game at every factory until they perished, if not for laws preventing it.
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by st3v3r on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @06:39PM (#11866252)
Which is sending the signal to the factories that they can get away with not paying people for quite some time.
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by wbl on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:33PM (#11865858)
And now they don't get hired at all.
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by st3v3r on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @06:38PM (#11866248)
They weren't getting hired in the first place.
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by BenjaminTodd on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:50PM (#11865980)
Yeah - to clarify, we don't literally mean work for free. Rather, do highly side projects, make concrete proposals, trial periods, internships etc.
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by s_m_t on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:00PM (#11865629)
Don't worry there are plenty of people willing to break the law and the government doesn't have the resources to prosecute crimes like these!
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by gerbilly on Thursday June 09, 2016 @11:43AM (#11870129)
>It's illegal to work for free today

Tell that to all the unpaid interns out there.

The fashion and journalism industries are rife with them.

Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by strasser on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @03:46PM (#11865051)
> It's illegal to work for free today

Really? What law is this?

Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by Dylan16807 on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @03:52PM (#11865106)
https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs71.pdf

It's a basic consequence of having minimum wage laws. Unless you're being picky and want to hear that it's illegal to have someone work for you for free.

Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by gregw134 on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @03:53PM (#11865107)
What about free internships?
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by jdelaney on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:19PM (#11865322)
In the US, unpaid internships are only legal when they pass a six-part test. Generally, if the intern is doing stuff that benefits the company the internship must be paid. http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/employment-law-and-human-re... lists the six-part test
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by RKoutnik on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:20PM (#11865329)
If an intern is 'working' for free, then it's considered educational. They're not allowed to contribute materially to the business. For example, I can have an unpaid intern shadow me and watch what I do all day, but I can't put any code they write into production.
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by ergothus on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:21PM (#11865335)
As I understand it, many of the internships that happen today don't meet the (U.S.) legal requirements, but neither party (the intern nor the company) is complaining.

Basically, the intern is supposed to be learning a trade with some incidental work output, and what really happens is that they are given junior-level labor and some guidance and pointers (i.e. the same thing you'd do with a PAID junior level worker).

Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by bewatson on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:19PM (#11865316)
As a recent graduate, I know many people who used the "free work for a short term" method to get in the door for a new job. It isn't going to work at very large companies, but at startups and agencies, absolutely. "Illegal" sure, but a smart manager wouldn't turn down a chance to get a great look at a potential employee
Re:All the best advice we could find on how to get a job by Phlarp on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:42PM (#11865486)
A smart manager would know better than to open their company up to potential employment litigation.

Unpaid wages are one of the few offenses that can "pierce the corporate veil" and leave founders/owners personally liable.