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Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by Animats on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @04:49PM (#11857684)
From the article: "Since 2008, estimates of battery costs were cut by a factor four and battery energy density had a fivefold increase."

We're not seeing that kind of improvement in mobile devices.

Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by warfangle on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @05:24PM (#11858007)
In 2008:

The iPhone had an 1150mAh battery and, according to anandtech [0], 284 minutes of talk time (3G) and 400 minutes of web browsing time (WiFi). It weighed 133 grams.

In 2016:

The iPhone SE has a 1,624mAh battery and gets 556.2[1] minutes of web browsing time on WiFi.

It weighs 113 grams.

Of course, I have no idea what percentage of weight made up the battery for either of these phones. I also have no idea what percentage of the cost to manufacture the battery made up for either of these phones. But I do know the iPhone SE @ 16GB is $100 cheaper than the iPhone 3G @ 16GB was, not accounting for inflation.

We're seeing some improvement, most definitely. But unless someone has data to compare the two batteries directly, we can't say by how much.

The smartphone world has been much more keen on improving power consumption of the hardware in question rather than power storage. At the scale of power that an automobile uses, the opposite is true.

0. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2571/18 1. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10285/the-iphone-se-review/3

Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by randyrand on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @05:48PM (#11858210)
They say that battery tech has been improving at 2% a year.

That would mean we should see a ~37% improvement between 2008 and 2016. Seems about right.

Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by Animats on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @11:52PM (#11859873)
That's not a "fivefold improvement". A fivefold improvement is 400% more.
Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by warfangle on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @12:23AM (#11860006)
Maybe the battery form factors that are being improved aren't appropriately sized for use in smartphones? :)
Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by aramadia on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @06:30PM (#11858516)
1.02^8=1.17, or ~17% improvement
Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by randyrand on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @08:34PM (#11859184)
errr, oops. I did ^16 by accident. Damn you human error!
Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by delbel on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @10:31PM (#11859601)
Do you work at NASA?
Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by bluehawk on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @05:23PM (#11857986)
Yeah we are. But phones are more powerful, with bigger screens and power hungry electronics. Plus consumers want smaller, lighter phones, so with the higher density they make the batteries smaller. It's a balance.
Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by hbhakhra on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @05:31PM (#11858065)
Thats exactly why I was disappointed that all the top of the line phones went with 1440p or 4k displays. I have a 27" monitor that is 1440p, I don't need that kind of resolution on my Note 5. I wish it was still 1080p display and better battery life.
Re:Electric vehicle battery costs rapidly declining, Tesla c... by draw_down on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @06:14PM (#11858408)
Are you sure?