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Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by exolymph on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:02AM (#11735801)
All of the above? Totalitarian regimes always try to control the public narrative. It matters.
Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by Kristine1975 on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:13AM (#11735829)
All regimes try to control the public narrative.
Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by mc32 on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:19AM (#11735846)
Yes but the difference is in totalitarian regimes, theirs is the only narrative. No one or nothing else's story is permitted, while theirs is made to flourish.

On the positive side, when you have an undivided narrative like that you can get a lot done (sometimes bad, sometimes good) without impeding distractions.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by meric on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:29AM (#11735873)
In non-totalitarian regimes, you only get your career threatened[1], in totalitarian regimes, you could be imprisoned.

[1] http://gawker.com/this-is-how-hillary-clinton-gets-the-cover...

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by seanmcdirmid on Friday May 20, 2016 @03:31AM (#11736077)
The CCP isn't unified in their narrative, and there is definitely infighting from time to time out of public view (though you can sense hints of it via editorials talking about bizarre ideological topics).

The story they are trying to control/guide is much more reactive, like preventing social unrest, rioting, exploding financial scams, etc...often very local.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by bjshepard on Friday May 20, 2016 @03:20AM (#11736045)
You can get books in the Shanghai library with a lot of narratives of world history different than the CCP's.

Totalitarian is probably not the most fitting word to describe the current state of Chinese society, insofar as it connotates an environment of constant fear of unwarranted state intrustion into everyday life. The only environment I've been in that could be said to be "totalitarian" in that sense would be the south side of Chicago.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by mc32 on Friday May 20, 2016 @10:24AM (#11738002)
I think you're parsing things a bit. We could all say there are at least as many narratives as there are people...

The point is only one narrative is allowed success any usurper with too much notice would get suppressed.

Sure, you can find, if you look hard enough, you can find like minded people, just don't make it obvious, don't appear as if you could pose an ideological threat incompatible with the goals of the CCP or PLA.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by seanmcdirmid on Friday May 20, 2016 @04:09AM (#11736236)
DPRK and Eritrea are pretty darn close to totalitarian. Even at its worst in the 60s/70s, China was just barely there, it is just too big to control likes that.

It is difficulty it to describe China's political system using existing terms. Maybe authoritarian, but that doesn't feel right either. It isn't transparent in how the power flows, could even be an oligarchy or aristocracy.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by meric on Saturday May 21, 2016 @09:11PM (#11747002)
In practice, and in name, China is a republic. The leadership of the CCP are elected by it's 80+ million members. [1] Power resides in elected individuals representing the party members. Party membership is not easy, but not too difficult either. [2] One could make the analogy, joining the party is the PRC's version of enrolling to vote, which happens to be a much more complicated process than in the U.S. Not everyone is allowed to become a party member, but that is also true in the U.S and other countries, where some or all prisoners have no right to vote.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_the_People%27s_Re...

[2] https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-join-the-Chinese-Communist-Pa...

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by seanmcdirmid on Saturday May 21, 2016 @09:17PM (#11747014)
We get to vote for local representatives in our trade union. I mean, the trade union organizes the voting, but us non-citizen members aren't allowed to participate. They give you one name to vote for, BUT IT IS STILL DEMOCRATIC because you can write someone else's name in if you want. You get one name to vote for, but you can vote for anyone - so wise!

Likewise, when party members vote for congress party members, the decisions are often pre-determined. Ironically enough, Xi Jinping actually lost a vote once:

> Xi held posts in the Fuzhou Municipal Party Committee and became the president of the Party School in Fuzhou in 1990. In 1997, Xi was named an alternate member of the 15th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China. However, out of the 151 alternate members of the Central Committee elected at the 15th Party Congress, Xi received the lowest number of votes in favour, placing him in last place in the rankings of members, ostensibly due to his status as a Princeling.[a][20]

Of course, it didn't matter much, because votes are..well..even under the perverted Chinese system where outcomes are almost always predetermined, if they are not what is wanted, they are just fudged anyways.

And everyone knew Xi Jinping would get elected even before the first vote was cast by the party. There wasn't like any suspense, there were no odds in London. This year in the US, it is not certain that Clinton or Trump will will the POTUS election...we have hunches, but there is no certainty.

Calling China a republic is like calling North Korea a republic. Technically true, but ultimately meaningless.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by meric on Sunday May 22, 2016 @03:28AM (#11747663)
Does Xi have full control of China? Does he have the power to do things like, give cities away to foreign nations? Is his term unlimited? Is it inherited?

In the U.S., you've had Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and strong chance of Clinton and Bush again next term. It's a Republic in name, but it is also where a political system where political power is often inherited, arguable even more so than in China. If U.S. qualifies as a republic, I'd say China does too. We might know Xi was going to be president before the election was going to happen, but that happens in Westminster parliaments too - we are only electing our local representative, but everyone knows there are only two candidates. Same is true for China, where it was Xi and Bo Xilai. The latter lost.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by nametakenobv on Friday May 20, 2016 @03:30AM (#11736071)
>You can get books in the Shanghai library with a lot of narratives of world history different than the CCP's.

Yeah, get too many of those and see what happens.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by CamperBob2 on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:19AM (#11735847)
Some try a little bit harder than others.
Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by Aelinsaar on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:05AM (#11735810)
Yes, but totalitarian regimes also tend to torture people, and that doesn't work in the long run. Being totalitarian doesn't make you competent, but it probably makes you less likely to carefully study your methods for efficacy.

So I wonder, is there any evidence that this works, or is it just a sop to angry old men in the politburo who don't like what they see online?

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by bduerst on Friday May 20, 2016 @03:14AM (#11736034)
This is anecdotal, but from the time I spent working in Shanghai & Beijing with the current younger middle class, they're pretty aware of this and just don't really care that much.

In the U.S. we're very vigilant about our first amendment rights and feel violated if they're even slightly tampered with, but for some of the Chinese at least, they don't see it interfering with their lives as long as "things are going okay" for them.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by yorwba on Friday May 20, 2016 @05:04AM (#11736431)
As a counterpoint, my Chinese teacher said the other day that she is worried about the days of the Cultural Revolution returning.

She sees her relatives sharing propaganda pieces on WeChat and showed us a video of her aunt unironically performing the "Loyalty Dance" (as in loyalty to Mao) with her coworkers. They will also get angry at her when she tries to talk about China's worse points.

This might be an age thing though, maybe the younger generations have a different outlook on these things.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by malaeisd on Saturday May 21, 2016 @06:04AM (#11744073)
That was my experience too. We have to understand that the younger middle class is only a generation removed from the Cultural Revolution.

So they hear stories from their grandparents and parents about people starving to death because of the famines.

These things will take time. As the Chinese get more comfortable, those younger people will join the system and change it form within.

Remember that South Korea, Singapore, and even Taiwan were dictatorships that improved their quality of life significantly before they became democracies.

Re:China Fakes 488M Social Media Posts a Year: Study by studentrob on Monday May 23, 2016 @11:33AM (#11754502)
Singapore does not choose its Presidential candidates [1]

In Taiwan and South Korea, anyone with enough popular support can get on the ballot.

From the Singapore wiki,

"Potential candidates must obtain certificates of eligibility from the Presidential Elections Committee (PEC), the function of which is to ensure that such persons have the necessary qualifications to be nominated as a candidate for the election" [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Singapore#Electio...