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Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by igorgue on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @04:54PM (#11717325)
I have a theory that since that the USA doesn't make election day a federal holiday is one of the major factors the working class of america is not voting, usually it takes too long to vote, and it's not paid for employees, especially blue collar ones.

I wonder what are your thoughts about it, and how can it happen in America? I've seen every single proposal be rejected in congress.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by hackuser on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:08PM (#11717932)
> what are your thoughts about it, and how can it happen in America? I've seen every single proposal be rejected in congress.

The Republican Party has, for decades at least, had a program of making it more difficult to vote. I'm not saying that to be partisan, it's just a fact (sometimes facts favor one party or the other, but we shouldn't ignore them, twist them, or try to create a false equivalence). I believe it's because they are the minority party, especially among working class people.

A law called the Voting Rights Act was passed in the 1960s that restricted many of those practices, which had been used to prevent minorities from voting in much of the South. In the last few years the Supreme Court said the Voting Rights Act was no longer valid, and many of the practices (though in different forms) quickly returned in Republican-controlled states. For example, in many places they increased the documentation required to register to vote, and then made it harder to obtain the documentation. And then they dramatically reduced the voting locations, so that registered voters have to travel further and wait in long lines in order to vote.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by chimeracoder on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @09:12AM (#11721636)
> In the last few years the Supreme Court said the Voting Rights Act was no longer valid

That is not what they said. They did not overturned the VRA.

What they did was overturned a section which labeled specific states and counties that were subject to increased scrutiny and protection, on the grounds that demographics have changed in the last 50 years, and that now that list is out of date and includes too many districts which no longer need the increased protection. They noted that the law could and should be amended to specify districts which previously were not in need of protection and now are, but that is outside the role of the Supreme Court, so they left it up to Congress to fix that.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by TheCoelacanth on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @04:41PM (#11725743)
They did not overturn the VRA; they just overturned the part that allows the whole thing to be enforced in a timely manner.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by dragonwriter on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @04:44PM (#11725774)
> They did not overturn the VRA; they just overturned the part that allows the whole thing to be enforced in a timely manner.

Specifically, they overturned the preclearance requirement, which requires places that have been found to discriminate in the past to get clearance from the Justice Department before implementing changes to voting procedures.

This requirement was to prevent jurisdictions from implementing changes that have major deleterious effects on specific groups and then having one or more elections occur (and then official acts and laws passed shaped by the results of those elections) while the legal challenges work up through the system.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by izacus on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @04:56PM (#11717339)
Hmm, here the elections are on sundays because of that. USA votes on workdays?
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by igorgue on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:05PM (#11717409)
That's EXACTLY my point, I'm from the "third world" and our election is on a Sunday and Monday is off for everyone, elections are a celebration, it should be a very important moment to everyone, enough to get so drunk the day after :-). It's so confusing living in the USA and looking at so much justified apathy for the political environment.

What people here would never understand (and this is due being mostly white nerdy dudes here) is that it's so hard to get time off work when you're a blue collar guy, and even though it's paid off in some states (California for example pays for 2 hours of work that day) it's not enough. And it's stated by many companies that your work is more important, especially since nobody goes to vote anyways.

I work at a startup and nobody went to vote, everyone has work to do. I cannot skip a "lunch meeting" cause I don't have "lunch meetings".

And finally, I don't want to keep beating the dead horse but whatever, Bernie Sanders reintroduced the concept and hasn't being enacted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Day_(United_States)

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by rjbwork on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:18PM (#11717525)
>I work at a startup and nobody went to vote, everyone has work to do.

Indeed, everyone has work to do. It does not absolve us of our civic responsibility. I don't live in California, but would be surprised for anyone at a startup here in Atlanta to have significant problems taking a couple hours out of their day to go vote were they to want to. Apathy is a definite problem however.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by mordocai on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:45PM (#11718235)
The main problem is people who aren't allowed to take a couple hours off without being threatened with firing. Even if they are able to, they may get paid less which for someone in/near poverty can be unacceptable. Most retail and fast food workers are in this situation, for instance. Many of them will be working/commuting the entire time the polls are open.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by etjossem on Thursday May 19, 2016 @01:32PM (#11731948)
California has tried to solve this very problem by requiring employers to provide 2 hours paid time off to vote on Election Day [1]. I'm not sure how good compliance is, or how many employees are aware of their right.

[1] http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/time-vote-notices/

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by rjbwork on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:54PM (#11718608)
Definitely agreed. Tech work/office work in general tend to be a bit more flexible.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by cag_ii on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @04:59PM (#11717362)
No one works on Sundays where you are?
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by lostmypassword2 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:04PM (#11717400)
Plenty of people work on Sundays. Where are you?
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by izacus on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:42PM (#11718212)
Hmm, where did you get the idea of noone working? Most people don't work on sundays, but some of course do. Because vast majority of population doesn't work, this makes elections more accessible.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by hackuser on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:57PM (#11717829)
Tuesdays
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by pixelatedindex on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:09PM (#11717455)
I am inclined to agree. During election days, I struggled to get time off from my retail job to go vote. If young people are encouraged to vote, they should not be financially penalized for doing so.

Also, you have to go to a polling place next to your neighborhood. Most of the time work is not anywhere close to just take off during lunch and get the vote out. It almost ends up being a hassle.

Sundays would be better, but there is still a substantial part of the population that works on Sundays.

Additionally, the "closed" primaries vs "open" primaries are bullshit. As a citizen I should be able to go to a polling place, choose a candidate and get out.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by st3v3r on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:35PM (#11718153)
"Additionally, the "closed" primaries vs "open" primaries are bullshit. As a citizen I should be able to go to a polling place, choose a candidate and get out."

Depending on the state, though, it's the party choosing who the candidate they want to put forward is. So it should be that party's right to decide who gets to partake in that decision. I mean, would it make sense for a whole bunch of Republicans to come and vote in the Democratic primary?

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by pixelatedindex on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:41PM (#11718544)
>So it should be that party's right to decide who gets to partake in that decision. I mean, would it make sense for a whole bunch of Republicans to come and vote in the Democratic primary?

It shouldn't matter if a Democrat is voting Republican or the other way around. People can change their minds, and should not be disallowed to vote if they find that the other party is doing a better job in making the country a better place.

If a whole bunch of Republicans vote Democrat, it means that the Republicans have failed to do their job! Saying you can't vote because of that is like a childish loser saying you can't play for the opposing team.

My point is that such a decision should not be made and it segregates our democracy and makes it an "us vs them" fight, when in reality we're all in this together.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @09:17PM (#11719015)
But primaries are about political parties choosing who should represent them aren't they? Political parties are private clubs. If you aren't a signed up member of that political party why is it any of your business to have a say in who represents them?
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by maxerickson on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @09:53PM (#11719175)
Why should private clubs be determining who is on the ballot?

If they had that role removed, they would still be able to endorse a candidate or agree to all vote for the same candidate or whatever.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @09:57PM (#11719187)
I don't know much about US politics but I don't think they are determining who is on the ballot are they? They're determining who can claim to be the official Republican Party but I don't think there's any reasonable grounds to say that that's wrong.

Ted Cruz can still be on the ballot if he wants to can't he? As an independent? How could the Republican Party stop him?

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by maxerickson on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @10:06PM (#11719225)
There's "sore loser" laws in some states that would be a problem, and he would have to collect thousands of signatures in most states where he wants to be on the ballot.

It's a complicated morass of rules that would cost a lot of money:

https://ballotpedia.org/Filing_deadlines_and_signature_requi...

In contrast, the parties essentially have a reserved nationwide slot that they fill after many months of media circus.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by st3v3r on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @01:08PM (#11723511)
"Why should private clubs be determining who is on the ballot?"

They don't. They pick two of the people on the ballot. Anyone has the chance of getting on the ballot if they aren't part of one of those groups.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by st3v3r on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @01:07PM (#11723497)
"It shouldn't matter if a Democrat is voting Republican or the other way around. People can change their minds, and should not be disallowed to vote if they find that the other party is doing a better job in making the country a better place."

This is the Primary. Not the actual election. Those people are free to vote for whoever they want in the general election.

"If a whole bunch of Republicans vote Democrat, it means that the Republicans have failed to do their job!"

In the general election, yes. Not in the primary. In the primary, it means that one party is trying to choose the candidate in the other party that would be easier for their party to beat.

" Saying you can't vote because of that is like a childish loser saying you can't play for the opposing team."

No, it isn't. Not when you realize what election you're talking about.

"My point is that such a decision should not be made and it segregates our democracy and makes it an "us vs them" fight, when in reality we're all in this together."

Your point doesn't make sense when a party is trying to pick it's own candidate.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by igorgue on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:16PM (#11717515)
Yes, it's very much bs, also take a look at the way districts are laid out in America for congressional and presidential races...

It's just A LOT OF THINGS are a little fucked up with our voting system and the combination of ALL OF THEM makes it a HUGE MESS!

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by hansjorg on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:12PM (#11717483)
The obvious solution to this is online voting. This also removes any hope of a fair election, so expect this to be pushed pretty hard in most locales soon.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by cpeterso on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @04:59PM (#11717368)
You don't need the day off if you vote by mail.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by koolba on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:17PM (#11717518)
> You don't need the day off if you vote by mail.

Many (most?) states don't allow voting by mail or absentee ballots without a bonafide reason. "I'm busy that Tuesday" doesn't cut it.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by lotharbot on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:24PM (#11717572)
34 states + DC allow no-excuse early voting or absentee voting: http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absente...

I live in one of the three states that mails every voter a ballot, which can either be dropped off or mailed in.

If your state doesn't allow this, it's a simple reform you can push for. Write your representative.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by darpa_escapee on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:07PM (#11717426)
Polls close very early. Good luck getting there on time if you work far from your district.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by erispoe on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:14PM (#11717494)
People can vote by absentee ballot. They have plenty of time to do it.

It's a consistent pattern that in places with frequent elections, turnout is low. There is a form of voter fatigue. Switzerland votes every six months, and has very low turnout.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by nommm-nommm on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:02PM (#11717391)
How would making election day a federal holiday increase voter turnout among anyone not working for the federal government. Plenty of federal holidays are working days for my company.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by igorgue on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:11PM (#11717470)
And plenty aren't... Many companies actually respect that every single company I worked at in the 10 years I've lived in America respected Christmas and New Year Day for example. I don't get your point, your situation is not the same as everyone else.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by nommm-nommm on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @04:07AM (#11720456)
I'd actually be surprised if you worked for a private company and got every single federal holiday off. In 2016 they are:

Friday, January 1: New Year’s Day

Monday, January 18: Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.

Monday, February 15: Washington’s Birthday (aka Presidents Day)

Monday, May 30: Memorial Day

Monday, July 4: Independence Day (aka Fourth of July)

Monday, September 5: Labor Day

Monday, October 10: Columbus Day

Friday, November 11: Veterans Day

Thursday, November 24: Thanksgiving Day

Monday, December 26: Christmas Day*

Even growing up I had (public) school on Columbus Day.

Service workers work on almost all of them. Even the once sacred Thanksgiving isn't a day off for many retail employees anymore. Where I worked year ago they brought in low paid part time workers on holidays to cover for the full timers (who had benefits) who had the day off.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by nommm-nommm on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @09:38PM (#11719121)
There's almost no companies that I know of that give off MLK Jr. Day or Presidents Day off. It's even a joke that only govt workers get those holidays off. Most places are not going to change their time off policy no matter what federal holidays are, if it's important for a company to have election day off they would already give it off, some official stamp of Congress isn't going to change anything outside of public office.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by maxerickson on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @09:57PM (#11719184)
You could make it a really angry federal holiday by making it a Constitutional amendment.

People will still need to work on election day, but the amendment could specify a minimum amount of time be available to participate in the election.

(still, early voting makes more sense to me than that)

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by kej on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:25PM (#11717582)
His point is that being a federal holiday doesn't mean everyone actually gets the day off, especially among the working class.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by igorgue on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:30PM (#11717619)
Do you guys know what "increase" means? Seriously...