Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by nostrademons on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:30PM
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Plot twist: the "dark matter" in the universe actually consists of Type III societies harnessing the electromagnetic radiation of their galaxies by a means as-yet unknown to us.
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Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by maaku on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:42PM
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"A fire upon the deep" by Vernor Vinge is an interesting exploration of this. In the book different (and more desirable) physical laws take effect in places of low average matter density, so intelligent civilizations migrate out of their galaxies into the sparsely populated galactic rim.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by monochromatic on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:56PM
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I'm still hoping there will be a fourth novel. He never really explored what was going on with the zones of thought.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by maaku on Friday April 29, 2016 @01:01AM
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Well to be honest I found the Tines more interesting and so I'm glad he focused on them. But the zones of thought did strike me as a creative way to both solve the Fermi paradox and have space opera without otherwise breaking the rules of hard sci-fi.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by themgt on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:41PM
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Plot twist: Black holes are where Type III civilizations merged into a unified singularity, absconding off to their own self-created universe.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by vox_mollis on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:03PM
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Unfortunately, this idea has been explored and discarded. Thermodynamics requires the emission of detectable EM energy from such shells, just at longer wavelengths. We'd expect to see dark matter emitting in microwave or IR, but we don't.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by CamperBob2 on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:54PM
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It doesn't require that a Dyson Sphere be an isotropic radiator, though. It could be emitting its heat in a different direction.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by breischl on Thursday April 28, 2016 @05:51PM
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Well, if you emitted it all in a beam away from the plane of your galaxy, that might make you very stealthy. That would impart thrust on the sphere... which if it wasn't perfectly balanced might cause it to wobble, and then start rotating...
... and now we have a sci-fi reason for quasars. :)
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by Semiapies on Thursday April 28, 2016 @07:12PM
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You could direct the waste in two beams perpendicular to the plane of the galaxy, in order to balance net thrust.
I question how stealthy that would really make you, though. If someone was bothering to look for stealthy civilizations, they'd just have to scatter some observatories around their region of the galaxy, then watch. Eventually, your structure would occult a star from the POV of one of those observatories, or they'd pick up your beam scattering in interstellar gasses or dust clouds.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by breischl on Thursday April 28, 2016 @07:25PM
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Of course you'd need two beams. If you used a single beam it would be a stellar rocket... which might be fun in different ways. Certainly gives the phrase "interstellar warfare" a different meaning.
I realize this is all space opera, not hard SF. It's still fun.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by Mtinie on Thursday April 28, 2016 @08:02PM
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"But Sir, these are the correct stellar coordinates for the Zorgoph home world! They should be right here!"
"There's nothing here, Captain. Nothing at all. So you're saying that they moved an entire star system? In the last solar cycle?"
Good times, good times.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by Grishnakh on Friday April 29, 2016 @05:05PM
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Maybe they figured out how to create an artificial wormhole and direct their waste heat into that....
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by tremon on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:13PM
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buzzkill ;)
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by amelius on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:03PM
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Would this invalidate the assumptions of the news article [1] that appeared today on HN?
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by sewerinspector on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:42PM
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Wow I've actually never even thought of that before. I smell a sci-fi novel...