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Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by anexprogrammer on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:17AM (#11579361)
"Consider the MicroTAC, one of Motorola’s first cell phones. It did not sell well."

It was nothing to do with the MicroTAC being £3,000? No, it was the direction of the flip. Right.

The later MicroTACs with LCD sold loads. At the time, most people seemed to prefer them to the early StarTAC.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by creshal on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:31AM (#11579423)
The StarTAC also came out seven years later. The market for $1000 mobile phones was a bit bigger in 1997 than the market for $3000 phones in 1989.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by masklinn on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:48AM (#11579508)
> The market for $1000 mobile phones was a bit bigger in 1997 than the market for $3000 phones in 1989.

Not to mention adjusting for inflation the MicroTAC was 4 times the price of the StarTAC, not just 3.

Clearly the shell direction is the one thing which made the StarTAC. Not SMS support, not being 25% the price and 25% the weight (assuming a slim-battery MicroTAC), not the vibrate mode, it was the flip opening up instead of down.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by asimuvPR on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:39AM (#11579466)
I have a friend who used the starTac until AT&T forced him into something else. He fought for months trying to keep his old phone working. He moved to an iPhone but says it doesn't compare.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by Guildpact on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:05AM (#11580514)
The StarTac was a legend of a phone. It was good at calling, getting reception, volume, and quality. My dad held onto his for as long as possible before being forced to switch to a smart phone.

Smart phones compensate for lower call quality and reception with their processors and apps, there is always going to be a tradeoff, to most it is worth it but if your business relies on a lot of phone calls and being able to take those calls wherever you are then having something like the StarTac is great.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by vitd on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:36PM (#11582590)
I have to disagree to some extent. The call quality on the StarTAC was horrid - it sounded like it was sampled at around 2kHz most of the time. (And to be fair all other cell phones sounded the same at the time.)

When calling on my iPhone the call quality is significantly higher in many cases. I'm not sure if it requires both callers to be on an iPhone or on the same carrier or what. But sometimes the calls are as good as the audio coming from the Music app. Other times, they sound like StarTAC calls. But something has definitely changed in the last few years for certain types of calls. (And I've found FaceTime audio calls are always high quality audio.)

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by digi_owl on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @05:47PM (#11584844)
VoLTE has gained the option of using a higher bitrate codec than has been in use since the early GSM days. And the GSM bitrate and codec was chosen to pack as many voice calls as possible into the bandwidth of the GSM protocol.

That said, if it is iPhone to iPhone, it may well be that the call never touch the carrier systems and instead happens over iMessage for all i know.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by elsurudo on Thursday April 28, 2016 @09:59AM (#11588870)
> That said, if it is iPhone to iPhone, it may well be that the call never touch the carrier systems and instead happens over iMessage for all i know.

That would only happen if you are using Facetime Audio

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by digi_owl on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:08PM (#11591567)
Do you have to opt in on every call, or will it happen automatically as with messages?
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by asimuvPR on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:19AM (#11581158)
True. My friend is a VP of some construction big-co and relies heavily on his phone. The StarTac would survive the most hostile environments without much issue. iPhones? Well, he has gone through about a dozen in spite of him using the expensive covers (otter).
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by codemac on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @04:01PM (#11584011)
It is truly depressing how the idea of a SIM card holding storage as well (your contacts!) didn't get bigger.

It'd be awesome if my sim card ( or something the size of the old simcards ) had as much storage as it could manage. With today's microSD densities, you can realistically hold everything and more than what's on your phone (though the storage medium itself is less resilient..).

Then you go to work, pop it in your hardcore resilient phone. Go home, pop it in your tablet. This however empowers users almost exclusively, there isn't much advantage to a consortium of companies implementing this.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by asimuvPR on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @04:54PM (#11584454)
Yes! With the size of MicroSD cards these days it would seem straightforward to build a sim/sd card combo.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by trop on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:28PM (#11581916)
My StarTac did actually detach at the flip sometime in 2001. Still usable for months after, though. If I recall, there was just some sort of bus cable between the two pieces. I would have to hold them next to each other to make calls.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by bshimmin on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:39AM (#11580791)
I have had an iPhone since they came out in the UK in 2007, and I love being able to check my email and idly browse the web on it (I don't much care about apps, I'll be honest).

But, to be honest, I quite miss my Nokia 3210 which had fantastic battery life, never dropped calls, got reception in places my iPhone never does, and never, ever spent ages trying to send an iMessage instead of an SMS when there's a really bad 3G or 2.5G signal (which frustrates me almost to the point of violence).

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by GFischer on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:27AM (#11579744)
It's been several years since I moved to a touchscreen phone, and I still hate them for the "making calls and answering" workflow - I used to be able to make calls and answer without having to physically look at the phone - the StarTac's flick to open would be a good example of that.

Of course, touchscreen phones make great computing devices, which makes their inadequacy as phones irrelevant.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by anexprogrammer on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:48AM (#11579865)
Same. I used to be able to text without ever looking at the screen

I seem to have passed peak-smartphone, I check it much less often, and phone more. I've been tempted a few times by the flip-smartphones that exist in the Far East - I wish they were available here so I could trial one in a store. Don't want to buy until I decide if they're best of both worlds, or worst...

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by romaniv on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:08PM (#11582310)
I would buy a Japanese flip/smart phone in a second if it was properly supported outside of Japan. From what I heard, they have weird rules about warranty and even software updates outside of the country.

It's really annoying to be forced in the direction of fake technological "progress" that's mostly a result of extensive marketing. There is no fundamental reason why a smart phone can't have proper keys for calling.

There are couple of Android flip phones on the market, but since Android UI is designed 100% for touchscreens, I am pretty sure the experience of using them will be horrible.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by dkersten on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:47AM (#11580859)
I used to be able to text without ever looking at the screen

Not exactly the same, but I've noticed that if I type with my eyes closed, I'm both faster and make fewer errors than when I look at the screen. I guess its because I can just let my muscle memory do its thing without distraction.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by yellowbeard on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:18PM (#11581791)
Using swipe I can write on a smart phone without looking at the screen. Problem is some auto corrects will be wrong. Not perfect, but close. Longer words do better.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by asimuvPR on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:45AM (#11579852)
Four or five years ago I used a cheap-o flip phone and loved it. Been thinking about going back to it but don't want to lose the ability to take really nice pictures at any moment. :/
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by kej on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:30AM (#11581267)
I had a Samsung i760 [1] before iOS/Android took over, and it was the perfect combination of phone and smart device. When you needed a phone you could dial or answer without looking, but when you needed a smart device it did that, too.

[1] http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/phones/9018-large/Samsung...

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by icebraining on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:59AM (#11579949)
That's why I use a cheap featurephone with a keyboard and a touchscreen tablet. Smartphones are a poor hybrid, in my opinion.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by marssaxman on Friday April 29, 2016 @12:39AM (#11593794)
Hmm, I actually find them to be pretty lousy computing devices, since it's so difficult to type on them. You can poke around and read email or news articles, and take or look at pictures, but actually doing anything with a touchscreen phone is... well, I generally don't spend more than a couple of minutes trying, because it rarely works and it's less frustrating to just wait until I have a real computer at hand.

They have some decent hardware in there; shame it's so difficult to make it do anything interesting!

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by Piskvorrr on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:45AM (#11579853)
My current phone finally worked around the "answering" workflow with "push Home button to pick up, push Power to reject". Not perfect, but okay.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by nojvek on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:20PM (#11582427)
I had higher satisfaction with my 3310 than any phone I've ever had. It just worked. Nokia really knew what they were doing back then.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by loup-vaillant on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:34AM (#11579787)
If only we stopped calling them "phones"… They're palmtops after all.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by floordaemon on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:09AM (#11580030)
I use a tiny disposable Tracfone and a new iPod Touch.

Sure I could combine them in an iPhone, but I don't think they need to be tied together.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by saalweachter on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:22PM (#11585976)
I use a separate music player just because I like non-singular points of failure.

The idea of carrying a single object that is your means of communication / music player / camera / train ticket / monetary instrument / entertainment center is neat, until you think about your battery dying / losing it / dropping it and having it crack in half when you're a hundred miles from home.

I guess it is less bad if you tend to travel in packs, and would always have a backup in that way.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by asimuvPR on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:56AM (#11580441)
I also did that for a while, but then people in my social circle moved on to whatsapp and would never answer their phone or texts... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by msh on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:40PM (#11582624)
There are Nokia feature phones that comes with whatsapp.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by asimuvPR on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @02:20PM (#11583070)
Could you link to some, please?
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by msh on Sunday May 01, 2016 @03:35PM (#11607547)
See here: https://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/s40/21099128

But apparently they have now announced that they are end of life.

Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by StavrosK on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:20AM (#11579698)
Plus you can keep the StarTAC in your bikini.
Re:Future Screens Are Mostly Blue by eterm on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:23AM (#11579394)
I noted that, also the 7 years between the two phones is disregarded completely, despite the large overall growth between 1989 and 1997.