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Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by abhi3 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:15PM (#11576183)
It increasingly seems that the cheating at Volkswagon was systematic and not the fault of rouge engineers as they claim.
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by dang on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:38PM (#11576340)
Please don't rewrite titles when the original is neither misleading nor linkbait. This is a rule here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

The submitted title was "Volkswagen seriously made a PowerPoint deck on how to cheat emissions tests". That's more linkbait, which is driving the wrong way down a one-way street.

Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by stevesearer on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:56PM (#11577301)
It might be a good idea to link to or explain submission title rules on the submit page as most new submitters probably won't go looking for the Guidelines page. Many new users could be coming from forums or sites where editorializing headlines it the norm and/or expected.
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by abhi3 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:59PM (#11576458)
Got it, thanks for correcting it.
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by imglorp on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:01PM (#11576469)
Yeah, we knew as soon as they said it.

Any product feature like that would most likely need to be known to a number of teams such as marketing, engineering, production, documentation, compliance, supply chain, QA, tooling, support, or whatever they call those inside VW. So many teams would be coordinated by a pretty high level exec.

source: rogue engineer

Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:24PM (#11576586)
It's an interesting case study in regulations not being complied with. I guess the lawmakers expected the car companies to take the financial and performance hit to meet the emissions standard. Instead the car companies cheated.

I imagine governments will be more careful in checking manufacturers are actually meeting standards after this.

Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by ThePaco on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:26PM (#11576594)
Or maybe they'll realize it's not too effective to tell companies how to make their products.
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by mikestew on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:15PM (#11577137)
Right, because the air in Los Angeles is barely breathable, just as it was in the 70s. Wait, I got that wrong; the air in L. A. isn't too bad these days. What were we talking about? Oh, yeah, the effectiveness of regulations. On that topic, now I'm not saying there's direct cause-and-effect here, but...
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by semi-extrinsic on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:16AM (#11577963)
Cleaner air in LA is primarily due to two technological breakthroughs: positive crankcase ventilation, and catalytic converters. That's the proper way to do regulations: once a cleaner tech is invented, make it mandatory. The other way around, mandating a steady decrease de-coupled from technological advances, is more likely to lead to cheating.
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by tremon on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:43AM (#11579485)
But how do you direct the industry to invent cleaner tech without the pressure of emission regulation?
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by semi-extrinsic on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @04:03PM (#11584044)
A concrete solution which would have avoided "Dieselgate" is if the EPA had made urea NOx removal tech mandatory on all diesel vehicles. Saying "cars in the future must be X% cleaner" is needed, but it's not a complete solution.

Plus, more often than not, the technology to make cars cleaner is available, but expensive and so manufacturers don't use it.

Water-methanol injection, for instance, is well proven tech (since WW2), but not adopted at large scale because it requires changes to gas pump infrastructure etc. The only way to overcome a chicken-and-egg problem like that is governments making it mandatory.

Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by jjawssd on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:29PM (#11576614)
Are you implying that we should abolish pollution restrictions on car manufacturers?
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by Sharlin on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:43AM (#11577869)
Free market is so well-known for handling negative externalities well...
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by TazeTSchnitzel on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @04:41AM (#11578705)
Not necessarily, no.
Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by kuschku on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:36PM (#11576649)
Of course it was.

The day it was announced the CEO stepped down, said he knew of it, and assumed responsibility.

I’m not sure where the "rogue engineers" myth comes from, but VW Germany said on day one that it was top-level managers involved in it.

Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by wzdd on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:01PM (#11576813)
The '"rogue engineers" myth' comes from the CEO of VW USA. http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/an-engineering-th...

Edit: The rest of your comment is false. The day the news came out, Winterkorn posted a video acknowledging the problem but not mentioning resignation -- he did not resign that day. And when he did resign, he explicitly said that he was not aware of any wrongdoing on his part. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/24/business/international/vol...

Re:VW Presentation in 2006 Showed How to Foil Emissions Tests by kuschku on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @03:11AM (#11578397)
That's an interesting translation. He said he took the responsibility, but was unaware of wrongdoing when he resigned (I read the original announcement).

So, no, my comment isn't false — but yours isn't either.