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Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by amelius on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @02:55PM (#11491108)
> Self driving cars don't have to be perfect. They just have to be safer then driving is today

But how is Google or any other manufacturer going to test their software updates? Are they going to test-drive their cars for tens of thousands of miles over and over again for every little update?

Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by agildehaus on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @03:13PM (#11491271)
Google's cars drive millions of miles daily in simulation already. They take sensor data (including LIDAR) from past drives and essentially redrive their entire dataset with the updated software.

Here's Google talking about it: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en...

Of course this is only one component to feeling confident about pushing out an update where lives are on the line, but it's a key component.

Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by kevindqc on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @03:26PM (#11491381)
But if a new update changes how the car drives, wouldn't the data that would've been captured by the updated car be different than what the old outdated car recorded?

For example if the new update makes the car more aggressive, then other real drivers might be more careful, slow down more, etc compared to the original runs?

Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by agildehaus on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @03:48PM (#11491578)
I'd assume the more severe the change the more they'd want to test in the real world.

And that once a comfortable self-driving experience is found, Google will not want to change it much.

Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by quicklyfrozen on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @05:24PM (#11492339)
As long as there are human drivers, Google will need to continue updating software. We'll find exploitable behavior (e.g. how to make the self driving car yield) just like we find weaknesses in their search algorithms, and they'll need to adapt.
Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by amelius on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @05:37PM (#11492440)
> I'd assume the more severe the change the more they'd want to test in the real world.

I'm sorry but the important point is: how are we going to agree what needs more testing, and what can be updated without testing? If we let those big companies decide about those issues, then I'm afraid we will soon see another scandal like VW, except possibly with deadly consequences.

I can already predict the reasoning of those companies: last quarter our cars were safer than average, so we can afford some failures now.

Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by cowardlydragon on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @03:01PM (#11491163)
OR you group a set of changes into say... a numbered RELEASE and THEN integration/user acceptance test it.

I thought programmers were on here :-)