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Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by godzillabrennus on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @02:44PM (#11440816)
Remember when Apple said hell had frozen over when they launched iTunes for Windows?

This is that moment for Microsoft.

Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by acqq on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:02PM (#11440971)
Isn't it "give them bash, take them their privacy away"?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/13/windows-1...

Isn't it still unknown what is sent to Microsoft even if the user says "don't" in the settings? What was with "everything the user types is copied to MSFT" servers?

Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by MLR on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:11PM (#11441049)
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs....

As far as I'm aware this is as much as they've publicly released regarding telemetry, as for the "keylogger" thing I thought that was just a conspiracy theory.

Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by sp332 on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:22PM (#11441148)
The Customer Experience Improvement program in MS Office (that you have to opt-in to) really does send keystrokes back to Microsoft. I'm not clear on how the Customer Experience Improvement code was modified for Win10 where it's on by default, but it wouldn't surprise me if they sent some amount of keystroke data back. Either as aggregate statistical data or a recording of keystrokes that happened before a crash.
Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by acqq on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:21PM (#11441140)
From your link:

> you must use Windows 10 Enterprise, version 1511 or Windows 10 Education, version 1511 to manage them all.

Note that the Enterprise versions seem to be effectively unreachable for most (as far as I understand, you must be a company and license for at least 5 computers for two years in advance). Windows 7 is the last generation where a "normal user" was able to get the so called "ultimate" edition which included the functionality from the "enterprise" version for approximately double the price of the Pro version.

What can everybody else do?

Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by chadzawistowski on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @04:34PM (#11441851)
I mean, you can buy an Enterprise license.
Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by Someone1234 on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:24PM (#11441157)
The keylogger thing originated from the Public Test Preview of Windows 10. Microsoft told you when you install it that there was extensive telemetry, and they weren't kidding.

People continue to claim that it is still part of Windows 10 which has never been proven and most of these complaints aren't based on fact.

Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by acqq on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:30PM (#11441215)
From the MSFT's link for Enterprise version:

"At telemetry levels Enhanced and Full, Microsoft uses Linguistic Data Collection info to improve language model features such as autocomplete, spellcheck, suggestions, input pattern recognition, and dictionary. For more info, see the Get to know me setting in the Speech, inking, & typing section of this article and the Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future setting in the General section of this article. Note

Microsoft doesn't intentionally gather sensitive information, such as credit card numbers, usernames and passwords, email addresses, or other similarly sensitive information for Linguistic Data Collection. We guard against such events by using technologies to identify and remove sensitive information before linguistic data is sent from the user's device"

Of course, they can't know if anybody is typing the password in the wrong field or at the time they didn't expect.

Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by Karunamon on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:36PM (#11441271)
I'd be more inclined to believe that if it weren't for the fact[1] that it continues talking to Microsoft even when explicitly told not to.

I would have sworn there was a Reddit post where someone documented the same behavior on Enterprise SKUs as well, but I'm either mistaken or can't find it.

[1]: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-w...

Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by m3Lith on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:07PM (#11441002)
Yeah, that's why projects like https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking exist.
Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by pdkl95 on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:23PM (#11441150)
So you only support privacy for people with enough of a technical background that they know that kind of tool exists and how to install it?

When you work around this kind of problem with technical solutions you are telling Microsoft that they can get away with spying on most people.

Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by destroyer954 on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:08PM (#11441018)
If you are an insider then sure, you're sending a lot of data.
Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by acqq on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:09PM (#11441028)
Apparently this happens also by "normal users" who specifically turn off whatever can be turned off?

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-w...

The most interesting part:

"We configured our test virtual machine to use an HTTP and HTTPS proxy (both as a user-level proxy and a system-wide proxy) so that we could more easily monitor its traffic, but Windows 10 seems to make requests to a content delivery network that bypass the proxy."

Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by tacos on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:31PM (#11441228)
"seems to"
Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by Kenji on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:29PM (#11441208)
I'm sorry, I don't understand. What exactly is the problem with this release?
Re:Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released by Karunamon on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:30PM (#11441217)
I think he was saying that, had anyone suggested 2-3 years ago that you'd be running a natively supported Linux stack in Windows, you'd have been asked to share whatever you're smoking.