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Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by matt_wulfeck on Monday April 04, 2016 @09:51PM (#11427227)
I'll vote on the minimum wage law increase provided we finally do away with tipping.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by tinalumfoil on Monday April 04, 2016 @10:16PM (#11427327)
Tipping is a cultural aspect, not a legal one. Tipping was written into the law because people were already tipping, not the other way around.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by fucking_tragedy on Monday April 04, 2016 @10:54PM (#11427472)
As long as food servers are paid less than minimum wage it is a moral issue as well.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by 1123581321 on Monday April 04, 2016 @11:06PM (#11427508)
Servers earn the greater of tipped minimum wage plus tips, or minimum wage. Of course people take serving jobs expecting to earn more than minimum wage, but it's not the same moral issue if they don't.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by tangent128 on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @12:09AM (#11427724)
In theory employers are supposed to make up the difference if tips don't meet minimum wage. But it's infamous for being poorly enforced.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by 1123581321 on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @12:33AM (#11427822)
I agree that is a problem. I suspect it's receding as the percentage of restaurant sales paid by credit card increase.

People who dine at restaurants that likely commit wage theft might tip for moral reasons, but to me, it makes more sense to boycott those restaurants and communicate to managers and owners the reason why.

Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by JoBrad on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @09:16AM (#11430080)
They can, yes. But the instability of wages is a bigger issue. You can do amazing one day, and horrible the next. Combined with the fact that we teach next to nothing about financial planning in the US, and the extreme reliance on consumer debt by our economy, tipped workers are more like gamblers.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by 1123581321 on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @09:55AM (#11430354)
I agree. I would love to see tipping be replaced with a steady wage or salary based on skill, seniority, etc., like most careers have.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by clarkmoody on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @09:59AM (#11430392)
It's only a moral issue if the server is compelled to work for that wage. Slavery is immoral. Entering into a voluntarily wage agreement is not.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by fucking_tragedy on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:38PM (#11435769)
Sometimes life compels you to do things that are necessary, but not optimal. I know people that feed their family on tips.

Workers being paid substantially less than their labor is worth by their employer is wrong.

Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by xufi on Monday April 04, 2016 @10:56PM (#11427478)
I actually do wonder. How is tipping in Europe v.s the US where we always do %10 or so
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by NamTaf on Monday April 04, 2016 @11:57PM (#11427678)
Sometimes it exists, other times it doesn't.

Tipping just about doesn't in Australia, where we pay a reasonable minimum wage ($17.29 per hour for adults in full-time employment). You occasionally find people will tip a taxi driver or bartender, but by and large it's just not done.

Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by xufi on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @02:44PM (#11433183)
Interesting. Some states in the U.S just raised the wage to $14 dollars but nationally it's pretty low
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by 3pt14159 on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @12:21AM (#11427778)
In Toronto we do 15% to 25%. 10% is really low.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by megablast on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @02:06AM (#11428192)
But you have a fair min wage in Canada, right?
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by Ensorceled on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:05AM (#11429686)
Not for "service workers". They can be payed below minimum wage because they get tips as supplemental income.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by vlasev on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @02:37AM (#11428321)
It's about 11 CAD.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by kwhitefoot on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @04:02PM (#11433863)
In Norway where I live tipping is totally unnecessary, the restaurant staff are paid a reasonable wage. I travel to Poland on business and rarely tip anyone, just a few cafes in touristy spots seem to think they deserve it. I often let the taxi driver keep the change when I am flying out because I have no use for a pocketful of small denomination coins.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by davidw on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @12:50AM (#11427901)
In Italy, tipping is fairly rare. It's so much easier to just pay what the meal costs and get on with life.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by BBlarat on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:01AM (#11429673)
In sweden I only tip if the service was better than expected.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by cypherpunks01 on Monday April 04, 2016 @11:32PM (#11427574)
Do you say that as a consumer, or an employee, or an employer? I am curious about which perspectives support tipping and which don't.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by c0nducktr on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @12:16AM (#11427754)
Consumer: Dislikes tipping

Employer: Likes tipping

Employee: Likes tipping

Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by InclinedPlane on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @05:03AM (#11428934)
Personally, as a consumer I like tipping. But only because it gives me a chance to pay a higher price than I normally would, and to preferentially support small businesses that I like. I could do that by buying more stuff, but tipping is somewhat easier and more direct.

However, overall I think I'd prefer to see the end of tipping culture in America. There are too many downsides to it to justify the upside (which is effectively a kind of market segmentation / consumer surplus capture). For one, a lot of places allow different minimum wages for tipped positions, which is a very bad practice in my opinion and defeats the purpose of tipping. For another, tipping makes harassment (especially sexual harassment) of waitstaff by patrons a lot harder to combat. It also skews the income distribution between the waitstaff and the back of house staff. All of these things are bad verging on extremely bad. And they could be substantially improved by eliminating tipping. So even though I'll miss being able to be generous with a tip when I feel like it, I think it's time for the practice to be put out to pasture.

Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by rwjwjuwjudf on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @05:13AM (#11428990)
I don't like tipping for those situations where it's unclear how much is appropriate, for instance grocery delivery at the supermarket says their employees won't take tips but then you talk to the delivery person and they say that it's bullshit, people tip anywhere from $1 to $50 at Christmas. What am I supposed to do? Tip a percentage of my groceries? That's ridiculous. Nobody on the receiving end will honestly tell you how much to tip, because they want you to overestimate it.

But when it's clear what to do, like in restaurants and cabs, I'm happy to tip a percentage.

Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by zajd on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @12:20AM (#11427773)
Ask an employee who works in the kitchen
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by c0nducktr on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @01:44AM (#11428120)
I can definitely do that. One of my good friends used to work in the kitchen at Applebee's. What are you expecting me to hear from him?
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by rodgerd on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @02:11AM (#11428210)
An angry rant about how the front of house staff claim all the tips, or share them, at best, only grudgingly.
Re:Leaked documents show strong business support for raising... by Tideflat on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @11:47AM (#11431330)
Some employers dislike tipping because they can't control what percentage of the price of food goes towards paying the wait staff.