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Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by melling on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @05:36AM (#11296044)
People don't like change?
Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by julie1 on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @09:18AM (#11297005)
People love it.

Why don't we change where the clutch, the break and the acceleration pedals are from time to time on cars? Just for fun.

Why don't we switch riding right side and left side of the road? Every once in a while? Or the shape and colours of traffic lights?

Why do piano keyboards keep the same boring interface since decades (7 whites 5 black keys)?

Why do we have books with always the same size and boring indexes, table of matters and introductions?

Why don't we change VAT tax forms every months?

Oh I know, because changes are costly and not needed.

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by mrweasel on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @10:31AM (#11297594)
Correct, which is why you should, if possible, make gradual changes. These changes to Photoshop seems to be like Windows 8 (or 10), to a lesser degree though. The changes are made because the application looked "dated" not because they where needed to move the application forwards.

Windows of instance could look like it did in the Windows NT 4.0 days and nobody in business would care. Sure update the icons, tweak the fonts, add features, remove features that are no longer relevant, but don't try to revolutionize the GUI.

I know it sound like I'm advocating not moving forward, but the majority of people really just want to get their work done and to radical changes will slow them down.

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by kbenson on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @10:52AM (#11297772)
I don't know, I can't think of a single thing I like better about a previous version of Windows than Windows 10 (maybe a start menu that's slightly more streamlined).
Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by mrweasel on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @12:26PM (#11298513)
Just yesterday I got the question "Why can't we just use Windows XP" and we're just moving users from Windows Server 2003 to 2008 (Windows Terminal Server). The changes are minimal, yet it's enough to disturb people.

True, given time and education they might like newer versions of Windows better, but let's face it, most companies won't do retraining for Windows and Office.

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by kbenson on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @03:02PM (#11299836)
That's a problem with the companies, not with the software. It's the same with home users. People expect the interface to not change, likely because computers are still new for a lot of people and they can remember a time without them.

I think cars make for a good analogy here. People get a new car, and they have to relearn some things. Not the large things, like how to drive, or the rules of the road, but where the auxiliary controls are, the quirks in how it drives, how sensitive the steering is, where cruise control is and how it's activated, etc. There's a short acclimatization period while you get comfortable and explore or research how to do the things that are different that are important to you.

You get a new version of windows, you may need to learn a few slightly different ways of accomplishing something, but the core experience is the same. You have icons, windows, files with copy/move//delete operations, etc. There's a short acclimatization period while you get comfortable or research how to do the things that are different that are important to you.

Do people complain as much about new cars? Not nearly. They've come to see that these changes are a small price to pay for the advantages we get as the state of the art advances (anti-lock brakes, air-bags, heated seats, parking assist, computer driving...).

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by dredmorbius on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @08:55PM (#11301903)
It took roughly 40 years for cars to work out what equipment would be standard and where it would go.

I'm reading Robert J. Gordon's The Rise and Fall of American Growth, which looks at trends and patterns over the period since the Civil War (1870), most especially what he terms "the special century" (1870-1970), and also examined as three periods, 1870 - 1920, 1920 - 1970, and 1970 - present (almost even 50 year intervals).

I've just read his chapter on cars, and what equipment wasn't on the original Ford Model T: speedometer, fuel guage, headlights, a top, bumpers, electric starter (let alone automatic choke, spark adjustment, or transmission), etc. They weren't really fully settled until about 1940.

Computers still seem to be working these things out.

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by kbenson on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @11:38PM (#11302428)
I think they finished working out most the standard inclusions like that about a decade ago, at this point people get mad over their placement. I would consider the following an incomplete short list of essentials that all (desktop) operating systems offer:

- File storage and manipulation

- File search

- Networking

- Application installation, management and (local) discovery

- Application running and managing multiple running applications at once

- Regular system security and bugfix updates

I think most the complains at this point are on very small changes to those things, such as their appearance or where to find them. Fro example, the whole windows 8 start menu problem. That's purely a matter of different display and slightly different functionality of application discovery.

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by dredmorbius on Friday March 18, 2016 @01:46AM (#11310151)
There's far more that was finalised nearly 50 years ago, with the Mother of All Demos, than anyone today cares to admit.

Computers are problematic in large part because of the tremendous range of environments and uses:

1. Domain experts with decades of experience and highly-tuned, fixed-location, immersed interfaces. Old-school workstations. Heavy on CLI or usually really idiosyncratic GUIs.

2. More casual office users. This is your general file/task approach. I still think that could be improved, though the question is how. Having to consciously consider applications is IMO an error.

3. Mobile. Suboptimal conditions for viewing, entering, reading, etc. Some of the audio input (Amazon Echo, Google Now, Apple Siri) systems may address parts of this.

4. Appliances / controls: anything from digital clocks to DVD/BluRay players to microwaves and kitchen stoves and thermostats and washing machines. LED / LCD displays, anything from 2+ buttons to numeric keypads to dials to full keyboards. Incredible inconsistency across and even _within_ applications.

Of three sets of digital kitchen timers:

One blinks the minutes:seconds colon to indicate it is counting down, the other to indicate it isn't.

A microwave control allows use of either the timer or the microwave, but not both simultaneously.

Several chime repeatedly, others only once (and woe be you if you happen to miss the timer).

None have a count-up feature telling you _when the timer went off_.

I prefer a wind-up dial timer. Simple interface, and it's obvious when and how it's working. The bell is loud enough to hear rooms away.

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by kbenson on Friday March 18, 2016 @02:01AM (#11310195)
I won't argue that all interfaces to digital devices have reached a good set of intuitive interfaces, it's clear they haven't. If we're just talking about desktop computers though, I think we're much closer. That said, of the first three groups you mentioned, I think there's relative examples in our analogy group. Workstations (in the professional sense) are like the semi-specialized vehicles that people use. Rock crawlers, off-road vehicles, etc. Mobile is like motorcycles. Each provides the same essential service, but the amenities, configuration and details wildly differ.
Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by dredmorbius on Saturday March 19, 2016 @08:55PM (#11321257)
I've got to think about this. Not sure I agree or don't, but some good ideas.
Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by alexbilbie on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @05:44AM (#11296071)
There is not liking change for the sake of not liking change and then there is not liking change because it is affecting your ability to work.

The linked forum thread seems to have a large quantity of people complaining about the later.

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by nkozyra on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @09:24AM (#11297045)
I think that's the big problem with digesting reactions to change. Sometimes a company goes and just arbitrarily changes something because 1 or 2 people feel like it makes sense. Then everyone's paying for it.

But other times they do UX testing and over time discover that B is better than A. But throw that in front of a new user and it's initially harder and therefor frustrating.

If the driving paradigm is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," that's going to lead to a stagnant product. Because sometimes it ain't broke, but it also ain't ideal and people are just used to it.

So when there are fundamental changes to UX beyond color scheme - and perhaps even including - I think there needs to be detailed communication as to why and why it's better now.

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by melling on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @07:20AM (#11296441)
yes, I know the story. I've heard it a million times. Like I said, people don't like change.
Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @09:08AM (#11296949)
No, people don't like having their time wasted by clueless product managers who are trying to justify their existence with cosmetic updates.

People don't, on the whole, complain about things that genuinely make their lives better.

Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by DanBC on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @07:24AM (#11296459)
Just checking: Are you saying people are wrong to not like change? Or are you saying that it's uninteresting when people dislike change because it's a predictable response?
Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by DonHopkins on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @09:26AM (#11297060)
People don't like slick trendy shallow cargo cult designs made by imitating popular fads from big corporations based on marketing campaigns dreamed up by advertising executives, in the place of hard earned empirically tested iteratively refined interfaces, made by applying, trading off and balancing user interface design principles based on decades of research by scientists and feedback from customers.
Re:New Photoshop UI has become a major problem on the offici... by paulojreis on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @10:15AM (#11297450)
No they don't. But that doesn't answer the real question here: is the new UI better enough to outweigh the amount of time and productivity so many people will lose while adapting?