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Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by ktRolster on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @06:50PM (#11249768)
In other words, if you wanted to game the odds, you'd start by offering it on the black market, then if there were no takers after X number of days, offer it to Facebook?
Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by tptacek on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @07:07PM (#11249852)
It is unlikely that there is any black market for this bug, or for the RCE that compromised Facebook's crypto secrets.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11249173

Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by ktRolster on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @07:46PM (#11250028)
Yeap, you're right. These guys at least aren't paying a bounty for Facebook/Google bugs: https://www.zerodium.com/program.html
Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by tptacek on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @08:20PM (#11250181)
Like Dylan says, people will pay for web server software bugs, if the software is widely installed, because you can make money by building and grooming a fleet of compromised servers. There is a way to do it, and that way works.

There is not a good, reliable way to make money from Facebook account takeover. You can conceive of them speculatively, but that is not the same thing as knowing you can execute, or, better, already having a business process in place that is already executing, just waiting for a new bug.

Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by CiPHPerCoder on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @09:04PM (#11250357)
Your comments make sense in the real world, where the big threat is "criminal enterprise looking to make an illicit buck".

I worry that people are too obsessed about the hypothetical specter of tremendously skilled and bored black-hats who will ruin lives for fun, rather than for a pay-off, e.g. ZF0.

Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by nemothekid on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @12:11AM (#11251055)
>* hypothetical specter of tremendously skilled and bored black-hats who will ruin lives for fun*

I'd assume having $15k to spend is a lot more fun than any enjoyment one could have by hacking someone's facebook account.

You'd have to have a real vendetta against someone to value ruining their life at $15k.

Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by mschuster91 on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @04:11AM (#11251823)
> You'd have to have a real vendetta against someone to value ruining their life at $15k.

15k is actually cheap when compared with the costs of a private eye, a biker gang or a contract killer.

Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by brbsix on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @02:38AM (#11251472)
For a political hit, $15k might be a very reasonable valuation.
Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by CiPHPerCoder on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @01:34PM (#11254765)
> You'd have to have a real vendetta against someone to value ruining their life at $15k.

You're thinking about it wrong. There is no opportunity cost in their worldview, just lulz to be had at the expense of people they deem worthy of ruination.

(I never said the people that live in the intersection of trolls and blackhats are great at financial or career planning, after all.)

Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by orbitingpluto on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @09:37PM (#11250486)
Footnote on the graphic: *All payout amounts are chosen at the discretion of ZERODIUM and are subject to change or cancellation without notice.

Translation: "Show us what you got and then we'll screw you over."

Sounds like you're less likely to get screwed by an escrow service found on TOR.

Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by brbsix on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @02:48AM (#11251518)
Or simply publishing it first and leveraging to opportunity for contract work. I'd really hope you're able to get a commitment from ZERODIUM before giving them the details.
Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by amelius on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @04:04AM (#11251797)
This comment states:

> Facebook's security team is one of the strongest and most sophisticated of any company

If that is true, how come they didn't catch this relatively obvious glitch discussed here.

Re:How I could have hacked any Facebook account by mfukar on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @09:03AM (#11252984)
No team can catch all the bugs.

As for 'obvious', hindsight, yada yada.