‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 100-Year-Old Signals

Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by roymurdock on Monday March 07, 2016 @03:08PM (#11241236)

Green line expansion (two stops) initially budgeted at $954M in June 2010.

5 years later, costs estimated at $3.09B and project is terminated.

  A Reliable Project Budget is Defined as being
  within +10% and -5% of what it would Cost
  to Design and Construct the Project

Costs went up over 300%. The level of incompetence on display here is borderline criminal. Have a friend who works at one of the big 4 who is being called in to audit this failed project. Should be interesting to get an insider perspective on where taxpayer money was spent.

http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/About_the_T/Board_Meetings...

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by yummyfajitas on Monday March 07, 2016 @06:53PM (#11242655)

Wow, $3.09B for 4.3 miles of track and 4 stations? In possibly 7 years, if everything goes according to plan?

Elsewhere in the world, the Delhi Metro Phase 2 cost $2.9B and took 3 years. 77 miles of track, 85 stations, and countdown clocks. The Bangalore Metro (phase 1) is expected to be $2.5B (including a 25% cost overrun) for 26 miles and 40 stations. It also includes countdown clocks. Barcelona spent $200M for a 5.8km rail tunnel.

Where's your money going?

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by frandroid on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @12:52AM (#11243754)

Have you looked at the wages of Indian labourers versus American construction workers lately?

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by yummyfajitas on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @07:30AM (#11244828)

In fact, most of the cost of train construction is not labor (except in the US). That's why the Egypt, China and India (low labor costs) aren't significantly cheaper than Spain or Korea (high labor costs).

https://pedestrianobservations.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/comp...

If only I thought of this - then I might have cited a Spanish construction project in the very comment you replied to, so that no one could cluelessly bring up labor costs.

In any case, even if your claim were true, there is an easy solution. Import Indians to get the job done. The goal is fixing our crumbling infrastructure rather than union featherbedding, right?

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by GFischer on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @06:56AM (#11244736)

To be fair, he mentioned Barcelona, which is not too different from America hopefully.

I'm going to see if I can google what a Swiss equivalent costs (pretty certain the Swiss should be more expensive than American workers).

Edit: the only metro in Switzerland is in Lausanne, and it cost SFr590 million ($472 million) for about 6 km (3.7 miles) and 14 stations.

Construction is probably much easier, but the American one still has some pretty brutal cost overruns.

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by sschueller on Monday March 07, 2016 @03:18PM (#11241305)

3.09B!!! That is insane. I would think after the big dig disaster they would have learned their lesson.

In Zürich they just finished a huge expansion with a complex 10km tunnel und a 3rd underground 4 track station. Project cost was 2.0B up from 1.8B. At one point a drill got stuck and they had to abandon it.

[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durchmesserlinie_Altstetten–Zü...

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by acomjean on Monday March 07, 2016 @03:22PM (#11241329)

MBTA has huge project management problems to be sure, of course it should be looked into.

But its really the only subway the city has, plus I think they're required by consent decree to build sometimg (Part of the "big dig" project (putting highway in a tunnel), another fine example of poor project budget control in the commonwealth of Massachusetts)

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by enumBoss on Monday March 07, 2016 @03:29PM (#11241382)

Ha. This is too true. If there wasn't some kind of construction project over budget at all times, people would think something was wrong.

Really though, the MBTA has a bunch of major issues. Not just project management. I honestly don't know what it would take to fix it but something has to give sooner or later. People are finally getting fed up.

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by radd9er on Monday March 07, 2016 @06:39PM (#11242597)

I believe that the housing market in Medford and union Sq for years has been inflated on the speculation of the green line exrension. For years it was taken as a given. Has the Market declined since it came to light that the estimates were off, and the project cancelled ? I imagine a lot of people will lose money over this.

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by acomjean on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @09:21AM (#11253080)

Its not canceled yet..Just scaled back. Though I think the City of Somerville took some property in union square to make it work.

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Re:‘They Don’t Make These Anymore’: Maintaining the MBTA’s 1... by Symmetry on Monday March 07, 2016 @06:17PM (#11242496)

I honestly think that the $954M original price tag is a bigger problem than the 3X overrun.

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