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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by marcosdumay on Saturday March 05, 2016 @04:31PM (#11231184)
And everybody is wealthier as a consequence.

Oracle's clients pay less for a solution than they would otherwise, Oracle can compete on this area, some engineers get paid by Oracle to improve a commons, and everybody else gets a more functional system for free.

Ok, maybe somebody worked there against their best interest, but that somebody wasn't coordinated by any big corporation, and should look onto fixing himself only. The ecosystem as a whole is healthy.

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by chris_wot on Saturday March 05, 2016 @09:56PM (#11232271)
"Oracle's clients pay less for a solution..."

Not something you read every day!

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by throw21123 on Saturday March 05, 2016 @05:06PM (#11231290)
No, the ecosystem is not healthy. Idealistic people are exploited, business as usual. It appears healthy for some Silicon Valley parasites who live in a bubble.

Let the others eat cake.

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by coldtea on Saturday March 05, 2016 @04:57PM (#11231265)
>And everybody is wealthier as a consequence.

Well, except for those using Java.

Because Oracle screwed it up.

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by pron on Saturday March 05, 2016 @05:48PM (#11231464)
> Because Oracle screwed it up.

I am quite involved in the Java community and I don't see it. How did Oracle screw it up?

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by pron on Sunday March 06, 2016 @02:50PM (#11235239)
I am very involved, and I've seen plenty of good work, from Java 8, through the upcoming Valhalla and Panama, and to the amazing work on Graal, which is probably the biggest breakthrough in compiler technology in the past decade. Doug Lea is still working as tirelessly as ever on java.util.concurrent, and while letting the evangelists go was bad PR, it really changed little wrt to technology investment. There have been some missteps and setbacks, but while making some noise, they have been few. Don't forget that Java is huge; probably the largest standardized language ecosystem ever, and not all of its many corners can always be covered well. And when an ecosystem is nearly ten million users strong, even one percent of disappointed users is larger than most other languages' entire ecosystem.
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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by henk53 on Sunday March 06, 2016 @05:31PM (#11235892)
Some resources have been taking away from Valhalla and Panama, and Java 9 has been delayed.

But that is NOT what TFA is about. That is about Java EE, which Oracle suddenly stopped dedicating resources to, but in a completely silent way.

Java SE may be next. We don't know that yet. There are some signs, but they don't matter at the moment. What matters at the moment is Java EE.

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by coldtea on Monday March 07, 2016 @05:28AM (#11238107)
Plus, things like Desktop Java were ignored, and applets silently killed (even if it was their time, this was caused by years of neglect and security issues, and it screwed up people depending on them).
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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by pron on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @04:26AM (#11244293)
That is all hardly Oracle's fault.
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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by pjmlp on Sunday March 06, 2016 @03:01AM (#11232892)
Support for mobile OSes.

You could have had JIT/AOT for Windows Phone and AOT compiler for iOS, but they never cared.

Now C++ and C# reign as the languages to go for portable mobile native apps.

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by pron on Monday March 07, 2016 @06:38AM (#11238339)
This may well have been a mistake, but it is being addressed now, though probably not aggressively enough. Also, depending on how Google integrates OpenJDK into Android, we may soon have Java (real Java, that is) on the world's leading mobile platform.
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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by pjmlp on Monday March 07, 2016 @04:44PM (#11241968)
So far Google has been integrating OpenJDK 7, still curious to see if they say anything at Google IO.

How is it being addressed?

You mean the communication to leave to the community the porting of OpenJDK to mobile platforms? Or having the RoboVM guys at JavaONE, but giving them zero support other than publicity?

I am not confident that Google will move away from their fork, most likely they will adopt something else, specially with ChromeOS and Android merging.

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by pron on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @11:27AM (#11253846)
> How is it being addressed?

http://openjdk.java.net/projects/mobile/

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by paulddraper on Saturday March 05, 2016 @07:30PM (#11231849)
Yeah, java. What a failure. Oracle killed it. Rip
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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by coldtea on Sunday March 06, 2016 @11:34AM (#11234331)
Anybody said Java is a failure? Or that Oracle "killed" it? Even if they did, it would take a couple decades to get at the level Cobol today it.

What I said is Oracle screwed Java up.

By alienating the community, By not caring for security (except after all the huge negative press each time), By not innovating at a decent pace, By falling back on promises, By killing off the evangelists, By ignoring the mobile space, and in several other ways.

Not to mention the bloody Java "API" lawsuit...

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by eots on Saturday March 05, 2016 @05:02PM (#11231276)
> And everybody is wealthier as a consequence.

Except some got wealthier than others.

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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by maxlybbert on Saturday March 05, 2016 @05:59PM (#11231507)
What's wrong with that?
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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by the_af on Saturday March 05, 2016 @07:33PM (#11231861)
How would closed, proprietary software help?
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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by paulddraper on Saturday March 05, 2016 @07:31PM (#11231850)
No!
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