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Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by skrebbel on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @12:22AM (#11200932)
Oh poor you. If I want to test my app on OSX safari I have to either buy a mac or find a hipster.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by DiThi on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @12:35AM (#11200958)
I feel your pain. A (pirated) hackintosh VM doesn't cut it, as I need 3D acceleration to test a very complex WebGL app. And it's the slowest browser from the bunch. Safari is the new IE6 for me. I hate it with passion.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by venomsnake on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @01:08AM (#11201037)
GPU passtrough?
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by jmnicolas on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @02:25AM (#11201245)
From what I gathered you have 2 solutions for GPU passtrough : if you're a Unix guru and have plenty of time to spare you might make it work with Xen or if you have money VMWare looks easier but you may need a license and special hardware (if you have a regular Nvidia graphic card it won't work, you need an ATI or a Nvidia Quadro).
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by venomsnake on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @03:13AM (#11201386)
No. You just need to read Alex Williamson blog, for nvidia you need to patch drivers a bit - it is not hard. And compared to the price of macpro with discrete GPU - not that expensive either.

http://vfio.blogspot.bg/

just googling vfio kvm leads you to very thorough arch linux topic (with a bit of drama on the end, whatever)

Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by stedaniels on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @05:40AM (#11201914)
For anyone else, thinking hmm, that sounds easy. The TL;DR is that you don't "just need to read" Alex's blog, you need to read, think, try, fix, bug search, rinse, repeat, take on board a number of complex ideas and concepts, and/or buy ideal hardware. The arch linux topic is very long! I've read most of it as it came in, but reading that whole thing for tidbits and fixes that Google doesn't always turn up isn't quick or easygoing. Good luck!
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by venomsnake on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @06:09AM (#11201968)
That was 3 years ago. Right now the process is more streamlined.

Of course I assume that people that frequent hacker news are geeks and tinkerers.

Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by DiThi on Friday March 04, 2016 @01:34PM (#11225828)
Yeah, I'm definitely a geek and tinkerer, but testing in Safari is work stuff I don't like, and the only way to do it properly is with actual Apple hardware.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by kyriakos on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @12:30AM (#11200950)
+1 for this. At least Microsoft gives us the option.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by haswell on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @12:35AM (#11200960)

  >> or find a hipster
Seriously? This is a pretty outdated characterization...
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by pjmlp on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @02:31AM (#11201257)
Not on my home country where people earn 500 € on average and most IT guys around 1 000 € on junior positions.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by 8draco8 on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @04:11AM (#11201620)
I have a feeling that you are from Poland :)
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by pjmlp on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @04:21AM (#11201658)
No, but it also starts with a P a bit into the EU west coast. :)
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by 8draco8 on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @04:37AM (#11201704)
Portugal then. As you can see it's the same on east side of Europe
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by pjmlp on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @07:50AM (#11202227)
Well at least the food is great.

Liked Krakow a lot, specially the subterranean bars. :)

Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by zura on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @02:48AM (#11201305)
Republik Österreich? ;) Low wages for tech people... Although, the average I believe should be higher.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by IkmoIkmo on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @03:36AM (#11201454)
No way, wages are much higher than the ones he mentioned. Maybe Hungary or Romania, sure, but Austria?
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by pjmlp on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @04:22AM (#11201661)
EU West Coast, all the way to the left.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by imron on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @01:11AM (#11201046)
No you don't.

http://www.macincloud.com works very well, and they have billing by the hour and versions of OS X ranging from Lion through to El Capitan.

No connection with them, just a satisfied customer.

Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by rms_returns on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @01:33AM (#11201117)
A much cheaper way is to get it tested from freelancers on Upwork/Elance who have OSX!
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by MichaelApproved on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @02:17AM (#11201217)
Sometimes you need to see the issue first hand.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by NeutronBoy on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @01:29AM (#11201100)
I mean, if you want to test Windows, spin up a VM or VPS on any number of providers. But that's not really what we're talking about here.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by z3t4 on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @02:30AM (#11201252)
Not only that, you need an iPhone and several iPad versions too because they are all different. Supporting Apple devices suck unless that is your main dev platform.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by martin-adams on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @02:36AM (#11201267)
If you have a mac, you can install Xcode and get access to all the iPhone and iPad emulators emulators which gives you some mileage.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by umanwizard on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @03:25AM (#11201425)
This is not true. Each version of Xcode works with simulator runtimes of the most recent two major iOS versions only.

Also, no simruntime for 7.0 and before works in El Capitan, regardless of Xcode version.

Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by IkmoIkmo on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @03:44AM (#11201482)
Although in all honestly, it's much less of a problem. Only about 6% uses an iOS version before iOS 8 at the moment. (I'm one of 'm!)

Interestingly, by doing this developers have a harder time supporting me (iOS 6 and 7 on phone/tablet). The result is forgoing app updates and even new apps altogether that I can't download. This pushes me to upgrade, and keeps the iOS adoption rate quite high. Facilitating devs in supporting old iOS versions does the opposite. I'm not a fan of this but I can easily imagine the benefits for Apple.

Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by martin-adams on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @04:49AM (#11201745)
You're right, it only goes back to iOS 8.1, but you do get the devices for all current iPhone, iPad, Apple TV and watchOS.

Of course having a real device is much better, but as a web developer, this helped me pick up a Safari only bug very easily without needing to spend on a real device.

You can use OSX's debugger in Safari to remote debug a web page in the simulator, which I think is pretty neat.

Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by stock_toaster on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @04:10AM (#11201613)
I thought you could download old versions. They just don't come installed by default. Xcode -> Preferences -> Downloads.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by martin-adams on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @04:50AM (#11201748)
Looks like you can, but only back as far as iOS 8.1
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by stock_toaster on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @02:46PM (#11205504)
Ah, that makes the parent complaint make more sense then for sure. Thanks for checking (been a while since I used xcode).
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by baddox on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @02:57AM (#11201336)
Is that any worse than Android? I certainly wouldn't think so, given that there are way fewer Apple models and they tend to have way better distribution of their software updates.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by stock_toaster on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @04:08AM (#11201600)
Aren't there hosting places where you can rent a mac by the hour or by the month? I just googled "rent a mac" and found a couple. No clue how legit or shady any of the sites are though.
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by bigiain on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @02:53AM (#11201324)
Fair cop :-)
Re:Free Windows XP-10 VirtualBox/Parallels Images from Micro... by pheoki on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @12:52AM (#11201003)
Yea, let's be devicive without cause.