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Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by bbayer on Monday February 15, 2016 @06:44AM (#11102797)
I am using both iOS and Android phones. Both have good and bad points. I am a hacker and sometimes I need Android's customization features. Most of my colleagues prefer Android because of it is hacky nature like me. But the reality is my wife cannot use Android. She had to tweak lots options that she don't ever need. Even my 1.5 years old kid can use iOS more effective than Android because it is much more responsive and well designed. UI is much more consistent that 1.5 years old kid can figure out how to do slide to unlock.

Apple producing hardware and software together and both of them equally important and should be complementary for success. I think that is why they cannot steal customers from Apple.

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by m0skit0 on Monday February 15, 2016 @07:09AM (#11102886)
My baby has 11 months and can slide to unlock my wife's HTC Android phone. That point was useless, but yeah, Apple users are usually not hackish nor need all the customizations and power user options Android offers (without talking about rooting and custom ROMs world). This is probably similar to Windows/Mac vs Linux discussion, although still my wife has zero technological skills yet uses Ubuntu on her laptop with zero issues. I still think that Apple products are way overpriced but they still sell because of a perfect marketing hype campaign. It is true that Apple really excels at making the right product from existing ideas, but still overpriced, and IMHO highly overrated. It's just not worth the price. I would go for Android/Linux every time even if I didn't need the flexibility they offer.
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by zuppy on Monday February 15, 2016 @08:02AM (#11103097)
I don't think you understand why some of us are buying Apple products. I've started with a developer job 15 years ago, I am a pro user (actually I've started programming while I was in the 5th grade, in '94).

I still get a console on Mac and I'm using it every day. What I don't want to do, though, is for me to start working for the computer, I want the computer to work for me. After years and years, I've reached a point where I just want the stuff to work. I still do like tech and I'd rather spend my time on investigating new technologies than tinkering with settings.

For me it's cheaper to buy Apple and get the free time. There's nothing wrong with other choices, though.

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by m0skit0 on Monday February 15, 2016 @10:34AM (#11103852)
I really cannot grasp what you're talking about. I power up my Ubuntu PC at work (I don't know about your Mac, but mine takes like 3-5 seconds to boot, it is 3 years-old and costed less than 1000$) and start working. Right now I have 2 browsers open with ~10 tabs, 3 IntelliJ IDEA instances running, Thunderbird, Skype, 2-3 console instances, at least one VMWare machine running some Windows version, a PostgreSQL GUI client, a couple of SQLite GUI clients, distributed in 4 virtual desktops and using 2 monitors. Everything is running fine and smoothly. And last but not least, I can fine tune everything and anything to my liking. I don't like menus on the top taskbar? Gone. I don't like the desktop manager? Gone. I don't have to abide to whatever someone thought was better for me, because everyone has unique tastes and preferences. But I'm probably missing your point.
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by minikites on Monday February 15, 2016 @11:59AM (#11104369)
>And last but not least, I can fine tune everything and anything to my liking. I don't like menus on the top taskbar? Gone. I don't like the desktop manager? Gone.

This is what you don't get. Apple users don't want to have to do this, so they buy something that fits their desires right off the bat with OS X or iOS.

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by m0skit0 on Tuesday February 16, 2016 @11:09AM (#11110776)
Read again: "if I don't like it I can change it". Note: "if" and "can". I highly doubt millions of people using OSX have the exact same opinions and desires and tastes. This is just like Iranian president saying there ain't no gays in Iran, or Kim Jung-Whatever saying all men should cut their hair like his because that's how hair is supposed to be cut. I've tried OSX and there are a lot of things I don't like, but guess what? I can't change it. I have forced myself too many years into submission on Windows but I'm not going to be forced to use something I don't like or doesn't suit my working habits anymore just because some overrated guru said so. I surely can try it for a while to see if it is really better that way but if I still don't like it, I want to be able to change it. And this is what I'm talking about: freedom. Freedom to choose to change it or not. This is what you don't get.
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by Shorel on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:35PM (#11104646)
Most of the Ubuntu users I know use the default settings and like them, including me.

For me, Ubuntu just works. Even installing apps is a breeze. And I can keep updating the system (I have done it since 2012) and my stuff still works, so even updating the system is easier.

I do prefer it over the Windows desktop for just about everything.

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by ocean3 on Monday February 15, 2016 @08:17AM (#11103187)
Does it hold good while updating to new OS on an old Mac book pro. The last 2 OS updates made my mac book very slow. I had to tinker some setting to bring it up some respectable performance. I used to do those on Ubuntu. Now Ubuntu is just install and use mostly. But i couldn't get the touch working properly on Ubuntu else it would have been default OS on mac book pro.
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by Yetanfou on Monday February 15, 2016 @01:08PM (#11104872)
> For me it's cheaper to buy Apple and get the free time.

That is a fallacy - the availability of choice does not imply the need to choose. If you're happy with the defaults on Ubuntu/Debian/Arch/Fedora/RH/etc you can just refrain from customising anything, just like you would on OSX or Windows. If, on the other hand, you feel the need - for whatever reason - to change something you're likely to have an easier time on those Linux distributions that you'd have on OSX or Windows. In the former case the choice is rarely more than an apt-get (or other package manager) invocation away. On OSX and Windows you're likely to have to resort to external suppliers - adding expense, hassle and yet-another-license-to-keep-track-of.

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by sbuk on Monday February 15, 2016 @07:45AM (#11103025)
Why do you think they are "overpriced"? Is this generally or merely a personal opinion? What is it based on?
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by Yetanfou on Monday February 15, 2016 @08:59AM (#11103393)
On (drumroll....) the fact that the average price-to-own for an iOS device is about double that of an Android device? On the fact that 128GB of memory for an Android device costs (in local - Swedish - currency, but the importance here is the relation between the prices) 400 kr compared to the ~3000 kr price difference between a 16GB and 128GB iPhone 6s? That a 'flagship' Android device will cost anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3 of the price of the current 'flagship' iOS device? That those Android devices come equipped with micro-USB ports so they can connect to the-world-and-its-brother while those iOS devices nowadays sport 'lightning' ports which require special (and, need I say, rather expensive) cables? That you can develop software for Android on whatever system you prefer, while developing for iOS means you need to buy into OSX and use Xcode? That apple only offers a limited spectrum of devices, none of which can be termed as 'affordable' compared to the plethora of Android devices?
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by dagw on Monday February 15, 2016 @09:51AM (#11103631)
That a 'flagship' Android device will cost anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3 of the price of the current 'flagship' iOS device?

I'm sorry but that is simply not true in Sweden. The highest end Android phones costs essentially the same as an iPhone, especially if you are 'buying' one on a contract.

Can you buy a pretty damn good Android phone for 1/3 to 2/3 of the price of an iOS phone that will hold their own? Absolutely, but that is hardly the same thing.

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by m0skit0 on Monday February 15, 2016 @10:50AM (#11103948)
Highest end Android phones have usually better hardware than iPhones, and also they have their prices bloated just to look "luxury" like the iPhone.
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by thedrbrian on Monday February 15, 2016 @08:12PM (#11107289)
Define better. I assume it doesn't involve the word faster or powerful
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by m0skit0 on Tuesday February 16, 2016 @11:04AM (#11110735)
Orly?

Galaxy S6 vs iPhone 6S

- CPU: Octa-core 64-bit 2.1 GHz vs Dual-core 64-bit 1.85 GHz

- RAM: 3 GB vs 2 GB

- Weight: 138 g vs 143 g

- Battery: 2,550 mAh vs 1715 mAh

- Display: 5.1" Quad HD Super AMOLED 2560×1440 577 ppi vs 4.7" Retina HD IPS LCD 1334 × 750 326 ppi

- Rear camera: 16 MP vs 12 MP

- Front camera: 5 MP vs 5 MP

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by sbuk on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @04:18AM (#11116461)
That doesn't necessarily mean better! It about the hole package. See http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Homer
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by Yetanfou on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:31PM (#11104620)
I just checked on http://prisjakt.nu and got a the following prices:

Samsung Galaxy S6 128GB ~6300 kr

Samsung S6 Edge 128GB ~6900 kr

Google Nexus 6P 128GB ~7400 kr

Apple iPhone 6s Plus 128GB ~10.000 kr

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by dagw on Monday February 15, 2016 @04:49PM (#11106302)
Granted, Apple does for some reason charge a lot more for storage than the other brands, but if you look at the 16-32GB phones the difference basically disappears.
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by m0skit0 on Monday February 15, 2016 @10:39AM (#11103885)
Based on the price of the hardware. I remember purchasing Mac OS X Snow Leopard for 20$, I don't even count that in.
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by interpol_p on Monday February 15, 2016 @07:43AM (#11103020)
On the "slide to unlock" thing: I noticed it became very difficult for young kids to slide to unlock iPhones and iPads after iOS 7 was released.

I remember my 10 month old just intuitively sliding the iOS 6 unlock slider. The inset sliding "tray" and obvious button made it extremely clear. When iOS 7 was released it was as if my child suddenly regressed, and it took quite some time for him to get familiar with the new slide to unlock. (Even now that he's much older he sometimes doesn't slide it all the way and the lock screen bounces back into place — because there is no obvious stopping point.)

It was such a shame that the old slide-to-unlock was lost in the aesthetic transition. The original iPhone introduced one of the most immediately obvious user interfaces I'd ever seen.

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by Yetanfou on Monday February 15, 2016 @01:00PM (#11104818)
> The original iPhone introduced one of the most immediately obvious user interfaces I'd ever seen.

No, that would have been Neonode with the N1, about 2 years before the first iPhone:

http://www.geek.com/apple/apples-slide-to-unlock-patent-inva...

...but I tend to think that 'slide to unlock' was 'invented' a bit earlier, probably around the time the Sumerians felt the urge to lock their doors to keep out nosy neighbours and keep in wily camels.

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by interpol_p on Monday February 15, 2016 @02:57PM (#11105505)
That would be referring to this? http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/304/media/images/61357000/jpg/_...

Sorry but no. That's visually like the iOS 7 implementation which is so hard to use. The exact one I complained about.

There's far more to a good UI than just the basic idea — even the requirement of the iPhone's 60 FPS prioritised animation rendering and good finger tracking helped make that digital representation so intuitive.

Also the recovery animations (what happens when you don't finish the slide), the ability to slide back and forth with tracking (e.g., in that Neonode screenshot it says "swipe" indicating a single gesture, not a continuous one). And how the screen transitions from completed slide to home screen. These are important details that you have completely overlooked in your claim.

I even mentioned the important element of the visual "track" in which the button slides as part of the key features, which is nowhere to be found in the images I saw for Neonode. Apple even used a text-sheen animation in the direction of the slide to visually hint at the direction, that required masking an animated gradient into text back on the original iPhone hardware.

Obviously sliding mechanisms existed in physical reality prior to iPhone. I'm not sure why that's relevant as it's part of what makes the digital version intuitive.

Apple introduced this interface. The Neonode one is not even in the same universe of usability, design or details.

Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by ocean3 on Monday February 15, 2016 @08:03AM (#11103106)
My 60 years dad uses Android effectively. Maybe Android was hacky years ago. Material UI is very good.
Re:Why Xiaomi, Lenovo, and Huawei Can't Compete with Apple by Yetanfou on Monday February 15, 2016 @08:44AM (#11103319)
Errr.... not to rain on your apple-pie-party, but this 'apple is more consistent' and 'apple is much more responsive' and 'apple is (insert expletive)' has not been true for a rather long time. The 'responsive' bit faded out around Android 4.x, the consistency-bit got really upturned - as in iOS lacking consistency - when apple hooked up with the flat UI trend. I have yet to see anyone having problems with unlocking Android devices, whether they use a simulated bar lock ('slide to unlock'), a pattern lock or one of those 'slide to unlock/start_camera/silence/start_browser/...' things. This includes my own children (11 and 4) who are by now used to both Android (at home) and iOS (at school).

If you put the two systems next to each other you'll notice they both have their idiosyncrasies. Both are, in general terms, rather easy to use. Android is more flexible - which could be interpreted by some as 'lacking consistency' due to the fact that two Android devices can look quite dissimilar - and has fewer problems with crashing apps. Apple integrates well in an all-apple household but it lacks the freedom of choice which Android offers.

As to the supposed inability of the mentioned manufacturers to 'steal [?] customers from apple' I'd say you might be in for a surprise. Customer loyalty is not an absolute, show them enough of a carrot (lower price, better integration with non-apple systems and services) or harass them enough with a stick (itunes! itunes! itunes! apple cloud! no 'unauthorised' repairs! did I mention itunes?) and they'll just hop over to the next track.