News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by rayiner on Thursday January 28, 2016 @02:56PM (#10990748)
> Unfortunately, even with this 84Wh battery, the battery life of the XPS 15 wasn't tremendous. The blame for this lies almost certainly with that large screen. Dell's own battery life estimates (which are in the same ballpark as ours, given some differences in testing methodology) suggest that swapping out the 4K panel for the 1080p one would extend battery life in similar workloads by 60 percent or more.

Why is Apple the only one that can build a 15" retina laptop with 9-10 hours of battery life?

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by smackfu on Thursday January 28, 2016 @02:58PM (#10990757)
I'm sure it helps to write the OS.
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by Eric_WVGG on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:04PM (#10990796)
It’s definitely the OS. Battery life on a Macbook Pro in Windows via Boot Camp tanks.

One could make the argument that substandard drivers for the Apple hardware is to blame here, so perhaps battery benchmarks on a Hackintosh vs the same hardware in Windows would settle the debate, but that's some tinfoil hat shit… Apple has been vocal about battery life as a top priority for the company going all the way back to the PowerPC/Intel switch.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by notacoward on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:18PM (#10990962)
I'm not so sure it's the OS. The new Pixel has even better battery life than the latest Macbooks, in a similar form factor, and it's all Linux underneath the hood. IMO it's more of a commitment to tweaking whatever OS you have, not necessarily to writing the whole thing.
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by Eric_WVGG on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:28PM (#10991033)
I think we're saying the same thing just a little differently.

Apple didn't write Darwin from scratch, after all.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by truncate on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:04PM (#10990800)
Maybe someone using Linux on Mac could tell us about the battery life they get.

I use XPS-13 (4k display version), and certainly don't get the battery life promised by Dell.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by secstate on Thursday January 28, 2016 @08:55PM (#10992991)
Ha! Sitting here with 15.10 running Gnome 3 on a 2013 Macbook Pro Retina. The battery life is noticeably worse than under OS X. I'd say I get about 2.5-3 hours of out it, unless I drop the screen brightness all the way down. But then how do I appreciate the beautiful screen? :)
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by its2complicated on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @01:10PM (#11021163)
Same here with Mint 17 on a 2010 MBP. The headphone jack lights up red and won't turn off. Weird...
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by Someone1234 on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:21PM (#10990980)
> Why is Apple the only one that can build a 15" retina laptop with 9-10 hours of battery life?

The XPS 15 has better than a Retina display:

- Reina: 2880-by-1800 resolution at 220 pixels per inch.

- 4K: 3840-by-2160 resolution at 282 pixels per inch (60% more pixels).

So you're comparing apples and oranges (minor pun intended). It is unsurprising that a display which literally has more work to do will consume more battery in the process.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by rayiner on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:23PM (#10990991)
Are you going to notice the 60 extra ppi more or less than the several hours of battery life? If the answer is less, than that sounds like Dell just made a bad engineering trade-off.
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by Someone1234 on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:26PM (#10991018)
I'm going to notice that you're shifting your argument.

You argued that Apple was the only company able to engineer laptops with good screens, when it was pointed out that in fact it was Dell that had the better screen, you're now using that point to argue that Apple is still superior.

So I guess your only point is that "Apple is superior" and you'll massage the facts to support that notion.

- Earlier argument: Worse screen = Apple is superior.

- Latest argument: Better screen = Apple is superior.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by rayiner on Thursday January 28, 2016 @04:10PM (#10991365)
No, I asked: "Why is Apple the only one that can build a 15" retina laptop with 9-10 hours of battery life?" Both are retina laptops, but the Dell does not meet the battery life criteria. You're not refuting my point, just explaining why Dell doesn't meet the battery life criteria.
[dead]
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by dang on Friday January 29, 2016 @01:43AM (#10993865)
> Period. [...] If you don't understand that [...] then i truly have no idea what to say to you. [...] Enjoy your kool aid.

Please don't be personally abrasive on HN. If you take all that rudeness out, what's left is a fine comment.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by Koshkin on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:52PM (#10991222)
> You argued that Apple was the only company able to engineer laptops with good screens

That is not what he said.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by Cuuugi on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:28PM (#10991035)
Going with that logic, why not downgrade to 1080p? Hardware is hardware dude, Fanboyism is annoying.
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by rayiner on Thursday January 28, 2016 @04:14PM (#10991410)
So you're buying a house, and decide you're willing to downgrade to a school district where 85% of kids meet the testing standards because the kind of house you want is $100k cheaper than in the district where 93% of kids meet the testing standards. "Going with that logic," are you willing to downgrade to the inner-city district where the house is $200k cheaper but only 45% of kids meet the testing standards? Do you see why your point doesn't make any sense?
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by omonra on Thursday January 28, 2016 @06:43PM (#10992448)
That escalated quickly
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by kunai on Thursday January 28, 2016 @06:36PM (#10992404)
I can assure you that the 9-10 hour estimate for the MBP is optimistic at best, and downright misleading at worst. I'm lucky to get 7 hours if I turn down the brightness and do nothing but browse the web and check email (no video or Outlook, just regular old Apple mail). Any realistic usage scenarios net about 4-5 hours, and any semi-intensive use (IDE open, iMovie, Photoshop, streaming video, etc) will drain the battery in 3.5 hours flat. I'm not the only person with these issues; Marco Arment, Gruber, and the rest of the Apple triumvirs all share the same complaints with regards to the 15" MacBook Pro's battery life. Part of the blame is poor optimization on Apple's part with Turbo Boost, and another just rests on the fact that it's ridiculously hard to drive a high-resolution, bright screen, a powerful processor, and a graphics unit without sacrificing some degree of efficiency.
Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by WildUtah on Thursday January 28, 2016 @07:11PM (#10992588)
"nothing but browse the web and check email"

Try using Safari instead of Chrome. And check if you're running a lot of Flash. The usual problem is that Chrome is engineered to gorge power with no regard to your battery. Flash, of course, is pure abuse and stupidity.

It all disappoints me because I prefer Chrome for its tools. But Google simply doesn't seem to care that it goes overboard on power and RAM drain.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by rayiner on Thursday January 28, 2016 @07:02PM (#10992542)
I've got a 15" rMBP and regularly get 8-10 hours of browsing, word processing, or light coding. On ArsTechnica's web browsing battery test, the rMBP exceeds 10 hours.

Recommended display brightness for standard office conditions is 150 nits. The rMBP goes up to double that, which obviously has a battery life cost. Also Chrome is poorly optimized for Mav, it takes several hours off the total.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by dragonwriter on Thursday January 28, 2016 @05:21PM (#10991892)
> Why is Apple the only one that can build a 15" retina laptop with 9-10 hours of battery life

Because "retina" in the context of displays is an Apple-trademarked marketing term, which is why Apple is the only one who can build a "retina laptop", irrespective of size or battery life.

More to the point, another manufacturing aping Apple's tradeoffs means the two end up competing on price, which neither wants to. So, naturally, other competitors who are interested in claiming some segment of the price-insensitive market by competing on something other than price make different trade-offs -- in this case, better DPI and shorter battery life. For lots of laptop usage patterns, this is a superior tradeoff; for others, its not.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by tptacek on Friday January 29, 2016 @01:19PM (#10997190)
I'm not sure why people are having so much trouble with this question, which can easily be restated as "why can't someone build a laptop that has at least as good a display as what Apple calls a 'retina' display while having the same battery life as an rMBP?"

An easy answer to that question would be to submit for consideration some non-Apple laptop that accomplishes that. I'm sure it must exist, and that would be a good thing to know about.

That there is some random Dell laptop with better resolution than a retina display and worse battery life is simply not responsive to the question.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by dragonwriter on Friday January 29, 2016 @02:42PM (#10997925)
> I'm not sure why people are having so much trouble with this question, which can easily be restated as "why can't someone build a laptop that has at least as good a display as what Apple calls a 'retina' display while having the same battery life as an rMBP?"

After the first, short paragraph addressing the strict issue with "retina", the longer, second paragraph of the grandparent post directly answered why that would be the case: competing on different feature trade-offs rather than making the same trade-offs and competing on price allows greater profits because it avoids entering a market with direct substitutes, even if doing so in a way constrained by the trade-offs earlier entrants have made results in entering what is effectively a smaller market without direct substitutes instead of a larger market with direct substitutes.

Re:Dell XPS 15 review: A bigger version of the best PC laptop by tptacek on Friday January 29, 2016 @03:55PM (#10998419)
That person is answering a different question than the one Rayiner asked, which was a simple one-liner:

Why is Apple the only one that can build a 15" retina laptop with 9-10 hours of battery life?

The answer "Dell makes a laptop with a better-than-retina screen with terrible battery life" is not in fact responsive.