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Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by zzleeper on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:03AM (#10930408)
The problem is that often you might not be entirely sure about what's going on. In her case, the kiss in the cheek might just be cultural confusion (in Spanish-speaking countries we do that even with strangers).

Of course, after the lap thing... I don't even have words... How can you treat other people like that.. you are put in a position of power/responsibility and they use it to degrade others..

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by wavefunction on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:19AM (#10930492)
Well this was in the US, where people do not kiss colleagues on the cheek. I know your intentions are fair in mentioning this cultural practice but that sort of justification also presents a fair amount of minimization of obvious harassment. I mean, do you kiss everyone on the cheek in Spanish-speaking countries or just very close friends?
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by y04nn on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:33AM (#10930579)
I live in France, and it is natural to kiss on the cheek. Recently I was in UK and without even thinking about it I kissed a girl on the cheek to welcome her. After it happened I just realized what was going on. The thing is that it takes some time to reframe your behavior. But I have also been away several months and then it was feeling weird for me to kiss a girl on the cheek.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by Mandatum on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @02:38PM (#10933332)
Recently had a French colleague do this to me in New Zealand. Was nothing short of hilarious. I made a warning sign for his desk.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by jacquesm on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:37AM (#10930602)
In France it can even include the men kissing the men and nobody thinks anything of it. Cultures really differ a lot in this respect.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by yulaow on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:25AM (#10930528)
Also in Italy, everyone. It is just the standard way to present yourself and/or say goodbye. I would also say I am more prone to do it with those people I don't know at all or very well than with my close friends.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by kentrado on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:21AM (#10930501)
EVERYONE. In Spain they do it twice. Cause they are gangsters.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by hrbrtglm on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:39AM (#10930607)
In France, it depends where you live, in some area people do it up to 4-5 times. It can be quite disturbing, even for a french :)
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by wdmeldon on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:08AM (#10930809)
Is that the French version of an awkwardly long handshake?
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by SeoxyS on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:11AM (#10930823)
I'm Swiss, we do it three times.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by Joeboy on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:40AM (#10930998)
I live in multicultural London, and have no idea how to conduct myself in public.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by dogma1138 on Wednesday January 20, 2016 @03:31AM (#10936725)
Simple don't make eye contact with anyone who you weren't officially introduced too and only talk about the weather unless it's rugby season.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by gotchange on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:43AM (#10931020)
You mean a real kiss on the cheek not a symbolic one where people place their cheeks side by side and just make funny sounds resembling a kiss?

Because here we're used to the symbolic ones for close friends and reserve those smooches for intimate or romantic relationships.

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Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by fsloth on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:57AM (#10930736)
"she has only been asked to sit on ones lap"

In civil society, the expected standard is not that everyone is socially and martially capable and with a razor sharp wit. Unexpected things like these generally make people flustered and confused. If a person has not faced a situation like this before, it can be very hard to come by with a proper response.

The situation is similar to being mugged, or tricked out of money. In general, the common fraud techniques work because people are not overly concerned becoming conned, and the approaches are such they work the first time because they play on the automatic responses peoples have to a situation.

Only after the fact becoming mugged people generally go through a behavioural analysis of how to recognize bad situations and how to get away from them.

In a sexual harassment situation, the initial slow response may be interpreted as a positive sign (and may erode the confidence of the assaulted party).

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by y04nn on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:05AM (#10930785)
Yes, she may have not been confronted to such situation. She was new to grown up world. But such things happen generally during your education. And he may have misinterpreted her behavior.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by fsloth on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:18AM (#10930861)
Not an expert on the issue but I imagine if the approached party feels sullied it's a strong case of sexual harassment.

I'm not familiar with sexual predators but I presume the day-day activities are the same as any bullies that succeed in long careers - the offending behavior is subtle and low key, but continuous.

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by the_af on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @02:13PM (#10933113)
Ah, good old victim-shaming!
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by plasticxme on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:41AM (#10930626)
What!? First, it is highly inappropriate for anyone in any leadership or management position to ask anyone to sit on there lap, no matter what their relationship status.

Secondly, making any kind of sexual proposition or advance in the office on someone you are not in a relationship with is sexual harassment.

If you are in a relationship, it's inappropriate and a conflict of interest.

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by Joeboy on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:46AM (#10931039)
> making any kind of sexual proposition or advance in the office on someone you are not in a relationship with is sexual harassment.

Apparently around 20% of marriages begin with this kind of sexual harassment.

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by jacquesm on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:45AM (#10930651)
I wouldn't limit that to just people in any leadership or management position, that's just a aggravating circumstance.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by yodsanklai on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:06AM (#10930787)
> Secondly, making any kind of sexual proposition or advance in the office on someone you are not in a relationship with is sexual harassment

Actually, I believe it's not. Only if the proposition is unwelcome it is unlawful.

So if this guy hasn't been fired, it's likely that the investigation concluded it wasn't a case of sexual harassment.

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by hluska on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:45AM (#10930646)
You feel like she is lacking self confidence??? That is just about the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Her manager (aka 'someone with a disproportionate amount of control over her career') asked her to sit on his lap, talked about how 'everyone' has an Asian fetish at some point, and asked her out for dinner alone. She tolerated it up to a point and then went to HR. How in any possible sense of the term can that indicate a lack of self confidence?? And why the hell are you blaming her and not the asshole who put her in that situation???
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by y04nn on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:57AM (#10930737)
I'm trying to understand the behavior of the manager, there must be a rational explanation. He knew what it can lead him to. So for me, it may be that he was sexually attracted to her and she may not have shown enough rejection signs (cultural bias between the 2?). Also I may point that for me the only person in charge for my carrer is me, whatever is my position.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by Ended on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @10:30AM (#10931337)
"it may be that he was sexually attracted to her and she may not have shown enough rejection signs"

The problem is that the onus should not be on her to show rejection signs.

'I'm sorry for mugging you, I thought you were just giving me that $50 - you didn't show enough rejection signs'

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by hluska on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @10:15AM (#10931257)
There is no rational explanation for the manager's behaviour. No manager should ever flirt with any direct reports. Ever. There is no way to rationalize the manager's actions. He acted terribly, but was given the opportunity to apologize and took it.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by fucking_tragedy on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @10:09AM (#10931213)
Another rational explanation is that people get comfortable with and forget what their position of power has over people.

That lack of awareness doesn't excuse it.

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by y04nn on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:49AM (#10930677)
Again I don't want put any judgement, but maybe the lap thing was only a bad joke, it all depends on how it is asked. And maybe there was a misunderstanding between the 2, she could have taking thing too seriously while the manager was trying to lighten the mood.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by the_af on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @02:22PM (#10933194)
The only misunderstanding was that one person thought it was ok to harass/make unwanted sexual jokes to a subordinate.

In case of abuse, it's never the victim's fault for having "misunderstood" the situation. The person in a position of power bears all of the responsibility and is the person who should have known better.

Stop blaming the victim.

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by skj on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:42AM (#10930628)
Victim blaming.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by y04nn on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:19AM (#10930869)
No, I think she is a victim, but we are looking to the wrong culprit. She is a victim of her bad education that makes her feel like a victime more that someone with charisma and personality that could have easily respond. That is a big problem with women education.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by the_af on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @02:18PM (#10933157)
> She is a victim of her bad education

No, she is the victim of a manager abusing his position of power in order to sexually harass her. Her education doesn't get into play here.

Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by skj on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @09:55AM (#10931109)
You seem like a bad person.
Re:What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google by wkimeria on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @04:55PM (#10934393)
This comment right here (thankfully, its been downvoted) is a good example of what the problem is and the environment that women face in the workplace