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Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by JasonCEC on Saturday December 19, 2015 @03:17PM (#10764689)
My company[0] has been considering a verification service to check on origin and sourcing claims using flavor signatures in "craft" products.

Currently, all of our tools are used by beverage producers (beer, coffee, spirits) internally for quality and process optimization - it would be great to apply our models and create a subscription reporting and claim verification.

[0] www.Gastrograph.com

Edit: clarity and repetition.

Also, Any ideas? What would you like to see in a service like this?

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by lobster_johnson on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:01PM (#10764827)
Would definitely love to have a web site where I can go and look up a no-nonsense report on the quality and truthfulness of "artisanal" brands.
Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by drivingmenuts on Saturday December 19, 2015 @11:06PM (#10766015)
How do you define "artisinal" in an objective sense? Organic ingredients, locavore, etc. all have definitions, but including them doesn't make something "artisinal" or "craft".

I have this awful feeling it'll wind up like the whole organic beef fiasco. USDA certified organic is pretty meaningless, thanks to the lawsuits of large beef producers.

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by evanlivingston on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:13PM (#10764863)
I'm curious how another entity could establish quality of something better than you could yourself?
Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by dv_says on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:18PM (#10764894)
Independent verification.

For example, this could have helped in [1][2][3] where toxic food products were very mislabeled.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Taiwan_food_scandal

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by evanlivingston on Saturday December 19, 2015 @07:00PM (#10765433)
I guess I was interested in distinguishing between quality and safety.
Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by JasonCEC on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:20PM (#10764901)
Quality is a tricky word, but in terms of the appreciation of craft goods, your ability to identify the subtleties that make more higher quality products _better_ is a learned trait.

If your references are wrong, or you miss out on the identification of a nuance, you haven't learned from the experience.

For example, individuals who say "I can't taste the difference between a $30 and $300 bottle of wine" are not _wrong_ - they just lack the formative experiences and education to appreciate the attributes that the more expensive product has.

Thus, if you decide that wine or beer or chocolate was of interest to you, it may be worthwhile to validate and trust your reference products.

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by HeyLaughingBoy on Saturday December 19, 2015 @07:21PM (#10765487)
HaaS: Hipster as a service.

TaaS: Taster as a service.

I got lots more, including a few choice ones I decided not to post :-)

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by gue5t on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:10PM (#10764857)
Let rich fucks get cheated. If the shit isn't good you don't need a "service" to tell.
Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by JasonCEC on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:15PM (#10764872)
Obviously I disagree with this; the appreciation of many products take some level of experience to understand what subtilty and nuance to look for.

If you we're to use Mast Brothers chocolate as your "high quality" reference, you would be learning to identify the wrong attributes as indicators of quality.

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by userbinator on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:39PM (#10764981)
If you we're to use Mast Brothers chocolate as your "high quality" reference, you would be learning to identify the wrong attributes as indicators of quality.

Does that really matter though? Taste is highly subjective. Friends have given me what they consider very high quality, expensive chocolate, often complete with some fancy marketing blurb, and yet it doesn't taste any better to me than the more generic stuff I can get for far cheaper; but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by JasonCEC on Saturday December 19, 2015 @05:42PM (#10765175)
My other comment above is a better reply to this:

> Quality is a tricky word, but in terms of the appreciation of craft goods, your ability to identify the subtleties that make more higher quality products _better_ is a learned trait.

If your references are wrong, or you miss out on the identification of a nuance, you haven't learned from the experience or you've learned bad information.

For example, individuals who say "I can't taste the difference between a $30 and $300 bottle of wine" are not _wrong_ - they just lack the formative experiences and education to appreciate the attributes that the more expensive product has.

There is an entire world of great flavor out there that is very hard to perceive; for example, I don't eat any artificial flavorings, preservatives, or food coloring, and when actually doing tastings for work, there are lists of black list foods and cut-off times for a clean palate - we go to that extent because anything less would cause us to miss what makes that product unique and special - we would be entirely unable to perceive it, learn from it, and appreciate it.

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by morgante on Saturday December 19, 2015 @06:28PM (#10765323)
What is the point of learning to identify those higher quality items though?

If I can derive just as much pleasure from regular, mass-produced chocolate (perhaps because my taste buds aren't adjusted sufficiently), what exactly is the incentive to train my taste buds so that I have to spend more money on chocolate to gain the same pleasure?

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by JasonCEC on Saturday December 19, 2015 @06:37PM (#10765361)
That's a personal question, isn't it? :)

More seriously, it's not always a choice - I got into it because a few products hit me and I said "WOW, s/coffee|chocolate|beer|wine|tea can taste like that?".

It's Pandora box and I'll never be satisfied knowing better is out there now!

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by isolate on Saturday December 19, 2015 @09:46PM (#10765838)
I went through all that but then I started to develop an appreciation for junk food (Coke, etc.) because it tastes like my childhood. I still buy the expensive stuff but I'm not hardcore about avoiding crap the way I used to be, and I find I still enjoy some of it. (I am sipping on a Autumnal 1st flush SFTGFOP Darjeeling from Goomtee Estate right now.)
Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by eyeJam on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:56PM (#10765045)
You're 100% correct and I want to add that most people haven't trained themselves to taste well-enough to tell the difference. Taste is a trainable sense just like eyesight and hearing: a good painter must learn to "see" and a good musician must learn to "hear".

Your second point is dead-on though. Only food obsessives would really notice or care that Mast Bros are frauds.

Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by isolate on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:58PM (#10765054)
What's the difference between a food obsessive and somebody that has trained their sense of taste?
Re:Mast Brothers obscure the fact that they originally used ... by duncan_bayne on Saturday December 19, 2015 @04:31PM (#10764949)
Like the "rich fuck" who built the website you're using to be so rude?