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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by spatulan on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:25PM (#10691403)
Because its morally bankrupt?
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by yummyfajitas on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:28PM (#10691427)
It's morally bankrupt to give people a job?
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by bweitzman on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:50PM (#10691660)
See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10367855
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by cpursley on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:29PM (#10691446)
And taking someone else's money at gunpoint is not? Taxes ain't voluntary, you know.
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by run4yourlives2 on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:32PM (#10691469)
Of course it's voluntary. You are more than welcome to leave the country.
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by cobaltblue on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:43PM (#10691573)
The US still demands my taxes 10 years after I leave the country.
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by cpursley on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:50PM (#10691652)
Minor correction: Not 10 years after you leave, but for 10 years after walking into a US embassy and relinquishing citizenship. Only then, you have the privilege to pay tax to a state you no longer are a citizen of for the next 10 years. For all other US citizens working overseas, you owe uncle sam a tax return every year no matter if it's for 5 years or 50. Only two nations in the world tax their citizens who live abroad. The other one is an African dictatorship.
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by doktrin on Monday December 07, 2015 @02:08PM (#10691819)
> Minor correction: Not 10 years after you leave, but for 10 years after walking into a US embassy and relinquishing citizenship

What specifically are you guys referring to? I can't find any reference to a 10-year tax obligation after renouncing US citizenshp. Is this part of the post 2008 expatriation tax?

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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by doktrin on Monday December 07, 2015 @03:02PM (#10692234)
Thanks for the info. That was a frustrating read.
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by LunaSea on Monday December 07, 2015 @02:15PM (#10691873)
What would stop you from not paying ?
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by doktrin on Monday December 07, 2015 @03:04PM (#10692252)
Presumably the long arm of the US judicial system. I doubt they'd send drones after you in a non-extradition country, but short of that there's a lot they could potentially do to make your life very unpleasant.
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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by khgvljhkb on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:45PM (#10691594)
So you can choose:

* Pay up to the state

* Get thrown in jail

* Go in exile

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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by run4yourlives2 on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:47PM (#10691620)
?

Or option 4 (by far the most popular) - emigrate to another area.

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Re:Finland Is Considering Testing Giving Every Citizen €800 ... by CuriousSkeptic on Monday December 07, 2015 @02:04PM (#10691781)
Under the assumption that everything you have and get is just and fair I agree. It is a strong assumption though, and It deserves to be examined.

Externalities: Do you contribute to pollution? If so should you not then pay a fair price in compensation to us all for that privilege?

Rule of law: Do you derive rent, or benefits, from property? Are you not dependent on society to define those property rights, and enforce them? Should you not pay a fair price in compensation for that privilege?

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