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Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by Afforess on Thursday December 03, 2015 @12:21PM (#10670869)
> He said that having a few very wealthy people decide what were the most important causes was bad compared to having the democratically elected government decide.

This sentence is really amusing to me, because our democratically elected government, at least at the congressional level, is nearly all wealthy millionaires. So either way, important causes are decided by the wealthy.

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by rayiner on Thursday December 03, 2015 @01:06PM (#10671296)
That's pretty misleading. The median net worth of a member of Congress is about $1 million: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014/01/millionaires-club-fo....

You also have to take into account that the average age of Congress is almost 60. I.e. they have been working and accumulating assets for decades. Adjusted for age, the net worth of the median Congressman is at the 80th percentile: http://www.census.gov/people/wealth/files/Wealth%20distribut.... Is 80th percentile "wealthy"? It's within one standard deviation of the median. I'd call that upper middle class.

Fun fact: the median doctor is worth over $1 million by age 50, and about $2 million by age 65: http://www.medicalpracticeinsider.com/news/which-doctors-sta....

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by DawkinsGawd on Thursday December 03, 2015 @04:31PM (#10672802)
Yes, being a millionaire politician or doctor makes you wealthy.
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by tptacek on Thursday December 03, 2015 @05:13PM (#10673109)
It's fine if you believe that, and it's reasonable to point out the huge class distinction between a doctor and a greeter at Walmart, but I just want to point out that your sentence pretty much reduces to "Yes, being a doctor makes you wealthy".

Which, again, fine, but I can't be the only one who thinks we'd be better off if we had more doctors in Congress.

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by username223 on Thursday December 03, 2015 @12:27PM (#10670934)
Congressmen are mostly rich people rented by richer ones, but a small amount of plebian influence is surely better than none at all if you're into that whole "democracy" thing.
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by dorfsmay on Thursday December 03, 2015 @12:37PM (#10671035)
In terms of how to spend "extra money", I would have agreed with you before Bill Gates' foundation delivered result few governments ever did.

Heck, I'm in Alberta where we've had a government returning taxes when we had budget surplus... just before the election.

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by BuckRogers on Thursday December 03, 2015 @04:08PM (#10672653)
I've always wondered why more people aren't demanding direct democracy. I know why the founders of the US didn't go for it, but as a working class American I fail to see why I don't want direct democracy.

It would slow the pace of government doing stuff down and if someone got bribed, it would be me.

And even if we did wrong, at least we'd truly be responsible. And screwing things up is kind of our birthright.

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by kuschku on Thursday December 03, 2015 @12:29PM (#10670962)
That depends on where you are – this German billionaire, obviously, is German. It’s not nearly as bad over here yet.
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by maxmzd_ on Thursday December 03, 2015 @12:27PM (#10670932)
While that is true, and a problem, it doesn't make the point of the article any less valid. If anything, you are agreeing with it now.
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by applecore on Thursday December 03, 2015 @12:40PM (#10671062)
Your argument makes no sense: the people control everything in a democracy, literally, by voting for their representation in government.
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by pan69 on Thursday December 03, 2015 @02:09PM (#10671786)
That just sounds very naive. In theory you're right, but in theory Karl Marx's communism sounds pretty good as well.

They way you describe it is not how it works in the real world, unfortunately.

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by jaggederest on Thursday December 03, 2015 @12:50PM (#10671148)
How well does that representation actually fulfill the wishes of their constituency as a whole, let alone any individual voter? That's the point - by being representative with no accountability, there's only the binary ability to hire or fire with no ability to manage.
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by zzalpha on Thursday December 03, 2015 @01:32PM (#10671550)
How well does that representation actually fulfill the wishes of their constituency as a whole, let alone any individual voter?

Yeah yeah yeah, being cynical about democracy is cool, blah blah blah.

I suppose you should, what, just burn the motherf*cker down and be done with it, then?

You know, in 50 years the GOP will be able to look back and point to one of their most brilliant victories of all time: actively sabotaging the activities of government, and then using the results of their very own actions to convince the electorate that government doesn't work and cannot represent them, despite the fact that they got themselves elected into the very system they claim to despise.

It's utterly brilliant. "Starve-the-beast" neocon tactics taken to a whole new level.

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by ancap on Thursday December 03, 2015 @02:50PM (#10672064)
>"Starve-the-beast" neocon tactics taken to a whole new level.

I'm not sure you know what a "neocon" is. Neocons derived from Trotskyism and are found in both major U.S. political parties. Neoconservatism has done more to expand government than perhaps any other ideology present in American politics.

>actively sabotaging the activities of government, and then using the results of their very own actions to convince the electorate that government doesn't work and cannot represent them, despite the fact that they got themselves elected into the very system they claim to despise.

Ironically that strategy sounds a lot like a strategy that's been deployed by progressives. If you look at some of the most heavily regulated sectors of the economy--healthcare, banking, housing, wall street, etc--those are the same areas which progressives hold up as free market failures.

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by dragonwriter on Thursday December 03, 2015 @01:47PM (#10671654)
> How well does that representation actually fulfill the wishes of their constituency as a whole, let alone any individual voter?

Varies considerably between things which get lumped together as representative democracies, from very poorly in systems like the US's which feature a strong duopoly, to very well in many modern multiparty systems. (More detail in, among other places, Lijphart's Patterns of Democracy.)

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by eip on Thursday December 03, 2015 @01:04PM (#10671283)
"Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without."
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by zardo on Thursday December 03, 2015 @01:12PM (#10671363)
Do you feel like you have $8k worth of influence over your share of the US budget?

What about Bill Gates or Charles Koch, do you think they have about $8k worth of influence?

Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by lawnchair_larry on Thursday December 03, 2015 @12:51PM (#10671158)
I wonder what country that applies to. Certainly not any that I'm familiar with.
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by thomnottom on Thursday December 03, 2015 @12:52PM (#10671168)
You are correct in that the current state of US politics almost makes it the same thing. However it is possible that the US electorate could fix that problem over time.
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by saint_fiasco on Thursday December 03, 2015 @01:20PM (#10671448)
Is that more difficult or less difficult than convincing people to stop using Zuckerberg's products?
Re:Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuck... by thomnottom on Thursday December 03, 2015 @02:13PM (#10671809)
I wish I knew the answer.

But a change coming through the electorate process should have a more lasting effect as simply boycotting Facebook would merely shift the wealth and influence to another person instead of Zuckerberg.