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Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by rtl49 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:09AM (#10587718)
“I will never forget the feeling of walking into the lobby of Building 7, looking up, and then touching the pillars to see if they were real. I couldn’t believe I was at MIT. My life and my ambitions moved to another level at that moment.”

I think this impressive achievement is more a testament to the role that aspirations acquired during childhood play in determining a person's success than it is a reflection of this young man's intelligence. Yes, the latter is necessary, but it isn't sufficient. I have little doubt that there are many 18 year olds entering MIT's class of 2019 who could have entered at 15 had they been provided a similarly advantageous upbringing.

These stories attract the attention of some of us because we wish we had been raised similarly. Had we not devoted our attention as children to, say, petty family turmoil or a hedonistic preoccupation with computer games, perhaps we would have progressed through life with a singularity of purpose and self-confidence that would have situated us in a better position today. We might have been spared years in our teens and twenties trying to find a sense of meaning in our work, unlike this fellow, who seems to have it figured out.

I won't speculate about his social skills. I've met college students his age running the gamut from borderline autistic to social butterfly. Yes, the sense of "peerlessness" must be a bit alienating, but many of us have had this experience without leapfrogging high school.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by agentultra on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:39AM (#10587883)
> These stories attract the attention of some of us because we wish we had been raised similarly.

We wish we had been but we didn't live in the right time or place for an upbringing like this. I remember stealing my dad's college textbooks on mechanics and applied mathematics and sneaking them off to school; taking out Byte and Compute issues from the library when they were available... just starving for more all the time. Astronomy club. Chess club. In high school I went to night school with my friends' mom at the university in the big city when I wasn't working to help pay the rent. You just couldn't get the breadth and ease of access to information you can today. It was slow and laborious back then.

But a world like this? Today? Amazing. You don't even have to leave your house. He is lucky. I'm 33 now and I'd kill to be able to study mathematics full time and be a professor some day. It just wasn't in the cards. Parents, circumstances, life and all of that.

Yes... we'll envy stories like this. More of us could have been this hungry. We just couldn't get there.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by lettergram on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:58AM (#10588394)
Hell Im 23, and even with easy access to information its difficult if you have to work full-time to pay the bills. Ive been working full-time since I was 15, and no matter how many courses I completed or books I read, without financially stable parents there is no way a normal person can do this. Thats why most of us attend public school.

I have full confidence most people are capable, but they would need some exceptionally staunch parents and finacial stability. Plus a lot of drive to accomplish these goals (it is not for everyone).

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by agentultra on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:21AM (#10588623)
The obligations and circumstances that get in the way are as challenging as ever. Time is the only constant in our experience. However kids today have instant access to MIT lectures and problem sets. I had to sneak out textbooks on classical mechanics and applied mathematics and that's all I had for years. Technology today has enabled us in so many ways that I envy my children who will get to have what I never did. So cool.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by OJFord on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @05:18PM (#10591185)

    > Thats why most of us attend public school.
This has to be the single most confusing AmE/BrE difference..
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by chris_wot on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:48PM (#10592813)
In case people don't know what is being referred to here, it's that in Britain a Public School is something you pay for, and in America (and Australia!) a Public School is funded by the government and not the individual.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by uhtred on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:20AM (#10588134)
I wish I had the drive / focus / interest that you sound like you had when you were at school. I hung around with the wrong people, didn't put enough thought into what I might like to do for a career, valued the wrong things, and as a consequence spent my twenties in lots of meaningless, unsatisfying jobs. I'm in my early thirties now and am lucky in that I've managed to change my circumstances and begin a career as a software developer. But I feel I will never be able to achieve the success I could have if I had only gotten my arse into gear and taken my education seriously when I was 16. Now I find myself spending most of my free time trying to learn things that I should have learnt when I was 18.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Swizec on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:26PM (#10590081)
> I hung around with the wrong people, didn't put enough thought into what I might like to do for a career

You say that like they're necessarily causal/correlated.

When I was in high school I was clinically depressed, smoked weed every day, shoplifted whenever I could just for the thrill of it, failed most of my classes, and in my afternoons, late nights, and sometimes up to 6am, I was contributing to opensource, writing phpBB mods that thousands of people were using in their bulletin boards. My most popular mod had over 10,000 downloads. They even accepted me into the official mod approval team for a while.

And despite my obsession with coding and working on my career, I was also an adolescent delinquent.

Life is funny that way.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by matheweis on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @12:57PM (#10589454)
> I feel I will never be able to achieve the success I could have if I had only...

Learn from your past, take things from where they are today, and change the things that you can, now, going into the future.

There are other people like you today; some of them will do that, others will only continue to live in regret.

10 years from now you can be the person that they will look at and say "if I had only..."

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by donmaq on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:20PM (#10590036)
Awesome maxims from the aspirational side.

From the more practical side- the time you spent 'wandering' can pay big dividends over those who are more tightly-focused, when you get to a more strategic role. Having tons of varied experience makes you a better communicator, teacher, & leader...

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by TeMPOraL on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:29PM (#10590102)
I had this conversation with a co-worker recently. I complained about how I avoided partying in university years and wasted a perfect opportunity to make friends with diverse people from all kinds of occupations. He said he regrets that he partied a lot instead of sitting like me and engaging in creative hobbies and/or learning career-relevant stuff.

We came to the conclusion that no matter the path of life you end up taking, you'll regret missed opportunities. I could have studied hard since 9 years old, skipped high school and be a PhD now or something, but then I'd probably talk with some people and start regretting that I haven't the time to read the books and watch the movies that could have shaped my imagination.

So the real advice is - instead of obsessing over the road not taken, focus on what comparative advantage you got from your experiences. Even if you "wasted" half your life drinking with random people, there's still a lot to learn and use from those experiences. The reason we have brains is to figure out how to make the best of what we have.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by ucacian on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:12PM (#10592509)
Well said! The grass is(and looked) always greener on the other side of the fence.

I decided to become a musician when I was 15 and wasted 6 years pursuing the unrealistic dream. I somehow managed to gave up the dream and became interested in computing in college. I sometimes wish I had become interested in programming instead of drums in junior high, but those 6 years of hustles taught me a lot about team management, entrepreneurship, and how to learn new things. So I don't think I wasted 6 years. As Paul Graham says, you should explore when you are young.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by uhtred on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @07:42PM (#10591910)
You are absolutely right. It's easy for me to think when I'm 43 I'll be past it. But I'm pretty sure my 43 year old self will think otherwise, and will be very glad he made the effort 10 years ago!
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by rtl49 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:44AM (#10587924)
It isn't cause for despair. In the grand scheme of things, none of us is so important and the desire to "achieve" more than we have is, in some sense, a wish to bless ourselves.

There's nothing to prevent you from studying those things today, within the constraints of your spare time. If you find the study intrinsically gratifying, I see no reason you should enjoy it any less because it probably won't result in a professorship.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by agentultra on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:52AM (#10587976)
It's not so much despair but longing for something that never could have been. My parents knew what was wrong with me but couldn't understand it themselves. They thought it would be best to hold me back so that I learned how to socialize. It was a rough education.

When I do have spare time you bet you'll find me working on a problem, reading a paper, or studying. It's almost like regret knowing that I won't be able to dedicate my life to something I love for the mere circumstance I come from.

When I read about stories like this one I can't help but feel happy for them. They're lucky! They got exactly what they wanted and needed! Not all of us can say the same.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by rtl49 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:12AM (#10588105)
I don't know your personal circumstances, but I do know that there are roles for mathematicians to play in many areas outside of academia, and that your age wouldn't preclude these possibilities. If you haven't already, there would be no shame in beginning a PhD at your age (even some successful academics have done so).

We are all lucky and unlucky relative to someone else. I think time used on regret or "longing for what could have been" is simply time misspent, much like you might regard your childhood. Best of luck overcoming this natural tendency.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by agentultra on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:29AM (#10588184)
I was lucky in my own ways too!

Life is nothing but an inevitable race to the end. I try to take it slow and steady. Having some regrets is unavoidable! But it makes stories like this all the more sweet. Not all of us had the same chances but someone made it through and that brings a smile to my face.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by benjohnson on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:28AM (#10588181)
>>It's not so much despair but longing for something that never could have been.

Providing an amazing environment for my children has erased all regret for my own childhood. I can see a new hope filled future with new eyes.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by agentultra on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:42AM (#10588284)
Yeah, same. Well, almost same. I have to remember not to be too eager!

Update: Also... kind of terrified of the public education system. No time for home schooling though. Damn circumstance!

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by benjohnson on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:42AM (#10588814)
I've know two really good parents that have claim that if you spend about an hour each day "detoxifying" the children when they get home that they can survive public school. They let their children know that the public school is a manufactured environment, how to combat child peering (where children look to other children for role models), talk with them about their frustrations, and generally spend about an hour discussing ideas of substance.

So far, it seems to work - the children have a certain detachment to the school environment and a mindfulness about them when they talk about their situation.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by cottonseed on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @01:28PM (#10589695)
> I'm 33 now and I'd kill to be able to study mathematics full time and be a professor some day.

I started my PhD in math at 36. Admittedly, I made some life choices (savings, no kids or mortgage) that kept options like this open.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by agentultra on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @01:36PM (#10589752)
Good for you! I hope you are/have enjoying/enjoyed it. I made some different choices (savings, but kids and mortgage). It'd be awesome to start a PhD but completely irresponsible of me as I'm the sole income provider for our family at present.

For now I content myself with following my fancies and working on digestible problems in my spare time (devoured ONAG a couple of years ago, graphs, sets, concrete mathematics... found Martin Gardner and enjoying devouring his recreational maths books). When I get the chance in my work I tend to enjoy the maths more than the programming... distributed systems, computer graphics, compilers. But most commercial programming is book keeping.

C'est la vie.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by mjcohen on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:02PM (#10592482)
If you want to practice math, look at math.stackexchange.com.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by javajosh on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:57PM (#10590285)
It's hardly too late to go back to (grad) school at 33.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Retric on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:44AM (#10587925)
I find the idea that the absolute best thing for a highly intelligent person to do is get to collage as soon as possible is a little sad. Life is not a race.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by IshKebab on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:20AM (#10588135)
I disagree. It's a race to learn as much as you can before your brain loses plasticity.

I certainly wish some of my teachers had spent more time teaching the people that cared and less time helping the D students that didn't. It definitely resulted in a few wasted years of education for me.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by cryoshon on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:09AM (#10588481)
Your brain doesn't lose plasticity until you're dead. Ever hear of someone remembering a conversation they had at age 70? The neurons had to form new synapses (plasticity) for that to happen.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by webXL on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @01:30PM (#10589709)
In my experience recall takes longer with age, and that's only if it's memorized in the first place. I think anyone over 35 can relate to this.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Retric on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:09PM (#10589966)
Much of that is simply being out of practice. At 35 you generally don't spend that much time learning new things. But, if you go back and get a masters you can get back into the swing of things.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by robotresearcher on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @04:29PM (#10590884)
I've been lucky enough to be in school most of my career. I'm waaaay slower at learning now at 44 than I was at 20. It often frustrates me.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by homulilly on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @03:59PM (#10590708)
Well there's always antidepressants and stimulants to help with that. In all seriousness, don't become a drug addict but if you're really worried about that there's a decent amount of research going on into improving brain plasticity so i wouldn't be surprised if there are drug treatments to "de-age" your brain in the near future.

That said, most of the "critical periods" for learning are over by the time you hit puberty and the ability to learn advanced knowledge, like the kind taught in college, doesn't decline that much with age so I wouldn't worry about it.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Obbity on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @07:59PM (#10591983)
What can we not learn after these "critical periods for leanring"?
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by GrinningFool on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:26AM (#10588668)
I had to read that first sentence a couple of times. Do you think the brain ossifies after a certain age, making you unable to learn no things?
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by VLM on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:53AM (#10588902)
Plasticity is the new phrenology, he doesn't really mean it, its just something ageist people signal to each other.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by rtl49 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:51AM (#10587967)
I don't believe there is anything in my comment to suggest otherwise. I was simply trying to capture the sentiment that some feel when reading stories like these. I tend to think this feeling results not from a failure to achieve (after all, many of us have still done admirably), but rather the sense of regret that one misused a period of one's life. I didn't mean to communicate that "life is a race" at all.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by jjaredsimpson on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:58AM (#10588017)
Some people enjoy the race. Seems like you are implying his time could've been better spent "doing kid stuff."
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Retric on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:14AM (#10588113)
Write a book, start a company or a band, volunteer, learn to meditate or Kung foo, do whatever.

It's not a question of being a kid, it's a question of living your life as a neurosurgeon because you decided that sounded cool when you were 8, and never really rethinking it until you had a lot of debt.

Sure, if this is what they really want then great. But, thinking this is a good path and they would be wasting there potential being a raft guide is terribly hollow. Getting out of high school at 15 is cool, starting collage is not a goal just a path to something else.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Nimitz14 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:44AM (#10588294)
He's not implying anything. He's saying it's wrong to assume that everybody should want the same thing. Is it that hard to understand?
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by ruraljuror on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:16AM (#10588573)
I take your point, but would rephrase it slightly differently: everybody should want the same thing: happiness, but not everybody achieves happiness in the same way.

To pick up on the racing comments from above, one should keep in mind Tal Ben-Shahar's warnings about the rat race happiness archetype, where one sacrifices in the present for perceived benefits in the future.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by collyw on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:14AM (#10587741)
Personally I am pretty glad that I had a "normal" childhood.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by hackerboos on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:26AM (#10587820)
When I was 5 years old I had trouble mixing up the letters b and d.

Given an MIT course at that age I probably would have ignored it in favor of playing outside.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by thisone on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:39AM (#10587886)
I still mix my small B and small D, and my left and right.

Five year old me would've loved a higher level of education though. School was incredibly boring.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by newjersey on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:01AM (#10588036)
We had a new teacher for maths in eighth grade. I remember how enthusiastic he was about set theory. He was so excited to talk about it and reminisced that the first time he saw set theory was in the second year of college.

Granted our stuff was just introductory stuff but I doubt I'd care the slightest between AND and OR and associate them with intersection and union if it wasn't for the teachers.

Now my professor in college who teaches operating systems? She could not be more of a downer. You go ask her a question and she says "I can't answer any questions off the top of my head. I am not a genius." Never has she ever said "let's see" or "let's try to figure this out". Her level of enthusiasm makes me wonder why she even teaches at all. She appears exhausted and sad.

To go a little off topic, I want a universal basic income (and universal free healthcare) so that people who don't like the jobs they do or would like to take a break can do so without worrying about money.

Well, I guess my point is school can be boring or interesting depending on the teachers around you. This seems rather obvious. My hypothesis is that teachers who want to teach are likely to be better teachers than those who are just there because they need money.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by thisone on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:35AM (#10588224)
I was bored, not because of the teachers, but because I didn't have to do much work to comprehend the material.

I never thought of telling anyone that I was working through the rest of the textbook just to keep myself occupied in class. I just kept my head down and did my best to un-bore myself.

Which bit me in the rear end when I got to University and started taking classes that required studying.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Xcelerate on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:52AM (#10588897)
Haha, this is how I feel too. I had the mistaken assumption in middle school that "if this is all they're teaching me, there must not be that much to know". Then when I got to college I realized that everything taught at the undergraduate level and below constitutes a negligible fraction of everything that has been discovered.

Instead of stretching mundane material that could have been taught in a week or two (calculus, etc.) over a period of years, I would have much preferred taking all of my engineering courses then. That would have left plenty of time in undergrad to learn topics as diverse as representation theory, semidefinite programming, quantum information theory, lambda calculus, etc. Instead, I have to learn these things on my own as a grad student in an ad-hoc fashion. Occasionally, courses on these topics become available, but they pop up at random semesters and you can't take all of them.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Kluny on Thursday November 19, 2015 @11:17AM (#10595576)
Seems like you did the best thing you could have, in the circumstances. When I was bored in class, I didn't study the textbook, I read science fiction novels.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by rtl49 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:58AM (#10588390)
Depending on your institution, it's quite possible that your professor is there for research instead of teaching. It's unfortunate that today an academic who wishes to have job security must do one in order to do the other. Also consider the possibility that she is simply uncomfortable responding extemporaneously in front of an audience (I remember one of my lecturers who could barely do basic arithmetic while at the whiteboard, presumably out of anxiety).
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by sdegutis on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:29AM (#10587837)
Can confirm. Those 75 hours spent finding every secret and getting 100% in Super Metroid was time well spent.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by rtl49 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:16AM (#10587756)
I'm glad to hear it. Some of us have had neither a normal childhood, nor the perks of one dedicated to study. Thus my remark.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by droithomme on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @12:47PM (#10589357)
> had they been provided a similarly advantageous upbringing

He's a minority immigrant that fled poverty and homeschooled himself. Please clarify in what ways this was an advantageous upbringing over say an american native raised in the suburbs by a wealthy family who attends the best public schools, few if any of whom enter MIT at 15.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Vraxx on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @01:08PM (#10589532)
Well, I think for one is the support of his parents. I don't think "advantages" necessarily have to be monetary ones. Certainly in this case his advantages included his parents and the opportunities that OCW provided. This is not to say that the kid did not work hard either as that is obviously false.

Consider a similar situation where a five year old wants to take college courses through an online program in an american native family that is wealthy, except instead his parents dismissed that idea on the sheer ridiculousness of a 5 year old taking online college courses. Or his mother not taking time from her already limited schedule to continue trying to find material for him to consume. This hypothetical child will be advantaged in other aspects of their life to be sure, but they probably won't be accepted to MIT at 15.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by Futurebot on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:59PM (#10590297)
"Having parents", "having supportive parents", "having parents with resources (that can come in multiple forms like time, knowledge, connections, and money) that they are willing and able to use on you", and "having a place that you can live in potentially rent-free whether or you're going to college, working, or need to return to if you lose your job" are things that some don't consider advantages, even though they should. Those things are springboards and safety nets that not everyone has access to.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by rtl49 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @07:49PM (#10591944)
I hate to put this so bluntly, but did you read the article?

“When I was five years old my mom told me ‘there’s this thing called OCW,’” says Rungta, who was homeschooled. “I just couldn’t believe how much material was available. From that moment on I spent the next few years taking OCW courses.”

For Rungta’s mother, the biggest challenge to homeschooling her son was staying ahead of him, finding courses and materials to feed his insatiable mind.

When Rungta turned 12, his family moved to Lowell, Massachusetts, as his parents realized he needed to be in a more intellectually stimulating environment. He also wanted to live closer to MIT.

Later that day, Rungta saw an Indian restaurant in the Student Center that had been closed down. He suggested to his dad — a chef who owned a restaurant in Lowell — that he look into reopening the café. His father soon became the manager of Café Spice, and the family moved from Lowell to Cambridge. Rungta studied in the Student Center every day while his father ran the café.

Reflecting on his journey from Calcutta to Cambridge and the many intersecting moments with MIT, Rungta is grateful to his parents and to MIT for being responsive to his needs every step of the way. “MIT has been my middle school, my high school, my entire education. That’s pretty amazing. Some people think I’m gifted, but I don’t think so. OCW was a gift to me. I was lucky to be born at the time MIT was opening up education to the world and extra lucky that OCW brought MIT and me together.”

If the commitment these parents showed to their son's upbringing and education doesn't strike you as absolutely extraordinary, I'm happy for you. But my own opinion is that they went far above and beyond what any ordinary parents would do, including the vast majority of wealthy parents who live in the suburbs. And it's worth pointing out that we can acknowledge this fact while also recognizing this young man has accomplished something exceptional.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by efaref on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @12:58PM (#10589463)
Aside from homeschooling not being possible here - attending a proper school is mandatory, with even a single day of truancy punishable by strict fines for the parents - there is a curious advantage to being a position of having nothing to lose.

Whereas many working class families toil long hours and weekends at minimum wage jobs just to be able to pay the rent on their small house or apartment and so that they don't lose what little they have, those who have fallen upon hard times (particularly through misfortune, rather than their own laziness or fecklessness) have the opportunity of taking greater risks and investing more in themselves and in their future.

It leads to this weird kind of envy where poor natives look at wealthy second-generation immigrants whose parents fled poverty (often becoming the landlords of the poor natives) and wonder where the hell they went wrong.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by pervycreeper on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @01:50PM (#10589857)
I didn't read anything about poverty. His father owned a restaurant, and they were able to relocate on a whim, so that suggests their circumstances were far from dire.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by jp_sc on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:04AM (#10588439)

    “(...) Had we not devoted our attention as children to, say, petty family turmoil or a hedonistic preoccupation with computer games (...)”
I disagree. Altough I would have loved learn more when i had all that free time and no Internet, I don't regret for an second the time spent playing some videogames (Monkey Island, King/Space Quest, Civilization, etc), reading for pleasure (Dumas, Asimov, Dracula, Rowling... Spiderman!) or even watching movies or some TV.

I'm a more complete (and interesting!) person because of all that.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by nashequilibrium on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:11PM (#10589973)
I will never bring my kids up this way, they will enjoy life. Imagine if Steve Jobs was raised this way, we would have no Apple, this kind of one dimensional excellence is for the parents satisfaction.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by TrevorJ on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:53PM (#10590254)
Good point. Talent may be what separates the top 1% or performers from the top 5% (where that tiny edge matters) but for the vast majority of the bell curve, hard work counts for so much more than raw aptitude.

I think our view of this gets skewed by sports because it really is an edge case where you have to achieve a certain level of performance in a very specific time period because your body isn't in peak condition forever. Talent may mean you pick up those skills faster and hit that narrow target window. That constraint doesn't seem to be nearly as present in other areas to the same degree: if it takes somebody 5 extra years to become a superb programmer, that won't absolutely kill their chances of having a successful career at it even if they needed the extra time to get there.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by vonmoltke on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @03:49PM (#10590635)
> Talent may be what separates the top 1% or performers from the top 5% (where that tiny edge matters) but for the vast majority of the bell curve, hard work counts for so much more than raw aptitude.

Perfectly summarized by one of the inspirational banners at my gym (a local independent that caters heavily to student athletes) reads, "Hard work beats talent when talent isn't willing to work hard".

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by mrdrozdov on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:42AM (#10587909)
I'm content with my upbringing, but I think it's worth speculating about alternatives from a personal perspective since at one point we may raise our own children. For all we know, this person night have better social skills, personal development, etc. than those of us who had a "normal" upbringing. Normal should be defined by results rather than popularity. Don't you agree?
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by rtl49 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @09:57AM (#10588010)
I do agree. The concerns are legitimate. In fact, most prestigious schools are hesitant to admit students like this young man because they fear for their social development. (Take the case of Bobby Fischer, for instance.) However, I disagree with the presumption that rapid advancement must result in poor social skills. In fact, I have met people who are living evidence to the contrary.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by sbov on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:02AM (#10588425)
We are who we are, in part, because of the journey we took.

Today I can say that I would love to have had such an upbringing. At the same time, I can also say that my 5 year old self would have hated it.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by HAL9OOO on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:03AM (#10588047)
Well put, I frequently read stories like this and wonder if I could have done the same if I wasn't constantly being distracted by family arguments/being poor/being envious of other's situations or wasting so much time on video games. I feel regret almost every single day and constantly feel 1 or 2 years behind the curve. Even now I don't have a singular vision like this kid probably because I get so distracted by real life tasks.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by learc83 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:51AM (#10588349)
>I feel regret almost every single day and constantly feel 1 or 2 years behind the curve.

I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm guessing you're pretty young. The older you get the less a year or two matters matters.

By the time you're 30, no one (not even yourself) will notice that you are 2 years behind your peers (based on whatever metric you're using). In fact, the older you get, the harder it is to measure what being 2 years behind even means.

And, just think about the huge variations in life span. Say, for example, George finished college 2 years later than Bob. However, George lived to 90 and was able to do productive work right up to the end, and Bob died at 78. George had an entire extra decade, even though he had a slightly later start.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by CrimsnBlade on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:13AM (#10588539)
Looking back on your past and feeling regret can be depressing, I too used to look back at all the wasted hours I could have spent being productive (especially when I think about how much I played video games...).

However, I think it's important to be able to look back at everything and find the positives as well. I think you should take pride in where you are and where you come from. This kid has his story, and so too you have your own, just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad, it's just who you are, and that in itself holds a lot of value.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by spdionis on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @11:12AM (#10588536)
I'm only 21 but relatively recently I lost this regret and I'm just living life as it comes. Things are going well enough for me and I strive to do better. I know I could've done muuuch better given the right circumstances but i don't care anymore.

Losing these regrets have made me much much happier and I enjoy a lot more of life now.

EDIT: and no, I didn't mix up b and d when i was 5 years old. I was able to read fluently and to write pretty well. Who cares if I wasted my youth on videogames, I'd do it again.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by gist on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @04:14PM (#10590790)
Thanks so much for your comment. I am quoting it and sending it to my wife because we have differing views on how much time the kids should spend playing computer games (me=almost none).

I was raised in an environment (and at a time) when there were no games like this and I filled the time doing other interesting things that were not only fun but lead to me being able to earn a good living after college.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by hemantv on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @12:00PM (#10588961)
The grass always seems green on another side.

There is a lot of benefit to the singularity of purpose at the same time there are a lot of side effects. To give you one example, homeschooled kid lacks good social skills, which are more important to success in life than mere intelligence or knowledge.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by losvedir on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @12:38PM (#10589274)
> homeschooled kid lacks good social skills

Definitely not the case, and I wish this tired cliche would go away already.

My homeschooled sister is far more social than I am (I did the normal school thing), although we're both fine at it. Homeschoolers probably have a lot more realistic socialization opportunities, as it's all based around common interests and skill levels, just like the real world, rather than being packed together with a bunch of people whose only trait in common with you is their age.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by matheweis on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @01:13PM (#10589578)
> homeschooled kid lacks good social skills...

Stereotypes like this are broad generalizations and generally not representative of the facts... sort of like saying that all Blacks are criminals, all Muslims are terrorists, or that Gays are child abusers - none of which are generally true.

Most of the homeschoolers I have known have excellent social skills, and further, even the few "creepy" homeschool kids that are really awkward socially tend to grow out of it completely within a couple of years of college.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by sannee on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @03:01PM (#10590309)
I wonder how does one learn social skills at a place where socializing is explicitly forbidden for about 85% of the time.

Also, you get to interact with only about 20 other random people of the same age with the same skill set (by definition). For 10 or so years. Very realistic, totally happens in real life.

I mean, schools are terribly inefficient at teaching skills/knowledge, but they are clearly even more terrible at teaching social skills.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by vaishaksuresh on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @05:22PM (#10591202)
You talk to teachers, ergo learn the meaning of accepting someone's authority. You learn to share common resources in the classroom with your peers. You stick to a schedule and respect other people's time by doing things in a timely manner. You learn to have fun safely, you learn to deal with people more capable of you (intellectually and physically). I could go on.

They all seem like pretty good social skills to me.

Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by g_delgado14 on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @03:25PM (#10590484)
Computer games can stimulate curiosity so labelling computer games and other child-related things as "hedonistic" might imply that they contain zero inherent value, which I think is a serious oversimplification.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by nameless1up on Thursday November 19, 2015 @08:19AM (#10594556)
We could have been a great many things.
Re:Homeschooled with MIT courses at 5, accepted to MIT at 15 by eanzenberg on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @02:18PM (#10590020)
I will bet you any large sums of money that this kid will not accomplish anything extraordinary by the age of 40.