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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by lars on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:48AM (#10581341)
> the high terrorist attack output of Islamists vs other non-Islam subscribers

I wonder if this is really true though. Some statistics:

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-20...

While Anders Breivik was shooting kids on the island in Norway, the Norwegian media were speculating that it was most likely perpetrated by muslim extremists. Even though we've historically had way more examples of terrorism perpetrated against immigration related targets by right-wing Norwegians (which was the case with Breivik as well).

The average Norwegian won't remember any of the mosques, immigrant reception centers and immigrant stores that were bombed in Norway in the past. I guess terrorism is quickly forgotten when it isn't your own group that is targeted.

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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by rmc on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @10:20AM (#10581538)
Breivik wrote a manifesto claiming he was doing it to support Christianity. And yet people don't call him a Christian terrorist.
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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by noobermin on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @12:02PM (#10582394)
To be fair, Breivik was an individual, while ISIS is a movement.
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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by xorcist on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @12:35PM (#10582652)
Breivik was most certainly part of a movement. They have web forums and everything.
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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by noobermin on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @02:22PM (#10583358)
I am aware of the "white power" movement that exists online, some are just trolls but some are serious, and there is always this moment in which it feels the jokes are a little too sincere...I say this as a non-white male. Moreover, beyond stormfront and trolls, there do indeed exist political, nationalist parties and groups.

Nonetheless, Breivik, unless I'm wrong about it, was not part of a movement trying to dominate the world and install a Christian kingdom, so ISIS differs from the white "movement" in that regard.

In regards to the current discussion, I am not sure which side of the argument I am on. I am not a Muslim so I can only comment from what I see from the outside. I have Muslim friends who are not at all sympathetic to ISIS or any of its friends, so I don't find it hard to believe that most Muslims find ISIS reprehensible as most Christians found Breivik. However, I have the opinion that nations in the region need to step up because ISIS threatens their freedom. There needs desperately to be a fight against ISIS in the form of a fight against their ideology... a movement that teaches that hatred and intolerance is not the way of Islam. I am not a Muslim, so I have no right to demand that of my Muslim brothers and sisters, especially as they've endured much in terms of discrimination in France (as that fascinating New Yorker pointed out) and elsewhere, but the ideology of hatred will survive bombs and invasions, if not be inflamed by it. The only way we can defeat ISIS is to defeat their message.

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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by jacquesm on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @03:22PM (#10583692)
> Breivik, unless I'm wrong about it, was not part of a movement trying to dominate the world and install a Christian kingdom, so ISIS differs from the white "movement" in that regard.

The biggest difference is - for want of a better word and I'm really sorry about using that term in the current context - because of their ability to execute. They would if they could, they just can't.

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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by zo1 on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @04:56PM (#10584266)
>"They would if they could, they just can't."

And in this simplistic scenario, why would you posit is the reason they "can't"?

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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by jacquesm on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:41PM (#10585124)
Because the movement is comparatively small, does not have a lot of funds and is under relatively close scrutiny already. But in every EU country it is present, in every EU country there are wanna-be Breiviks. The Norwegians also did a supremely good job of not letting him become either a martyr or an inspiration.
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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by jacquesm on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @12:19PM (#10582539)
Let's rejoice about that (About Breivik being only an individual, actually he's not quite just an individual, there are more idiots like that but so far they haven't been able to do a whole lot of damage in Western Europe, let's hope it stays that way).
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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by tim333 on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @10:40AM (#10581730)
Breivik was a bit of a one off. Sadly Islamic terrorism seems more frequent.
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Re:VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris ... by conceit on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:03PM (#10585213)
not at all a one off
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