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Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by jcrawfordor on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @05:51PM (#10299992)
Microsoft has OneNote, which might be a good cautionary tale in this area. OneNote was once the king of note taking, like back in 2003, and it's still a great product. But Microsoft focused too much on the Business market, I think, dropping OneNote from the Office Home packages, and that kind of killed it outside of the corp world.
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by ecobiker on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:48PM (#10300361)
OneNote is now completely free and available on iOS as well (where it has a full 5-star rating). As much I love Evernote, it's going to be an uphill battle for them. (And not to mention the handwriting experience and integration with the Surface Pen - which are killer features for students)
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by ultimape on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @11:34PM (#10301560)
Nice thing is that the desktop app can sync/save copies locally and does private backups, but you can also save/sync and store data in OneDrive, private server, or corporate internet via a samaba share (Free version only syncs to OneDrive, but IIRC does local backup in desktop app).

Architecturally it's a very impressive product and makes some pretty creative uses of the windows folder hierarchy to get it's job done.

I think OneNote was built with a crashfirst mentality - It is very hard to lose data w/ it. Their QA team is damn impressive too, I've been a follower of theirs for a while.

My only complaint is the lack of true real-time sharing ala google docs's Operational Transform (they didn't exist when it was made), but it does come close. Opening a shared notebook in class and having everyone collaborate on the note was an awesome experience.

It's inking support blows everything out of the water IMHO. It also has a lot of the advanced automation features you can access by integrating OneTastic.

Only real issue I've ran into is that it gets to be a pain to print with as it has some wonky scaling features and the page layout feels like an after thought.

It is also hard to get groups of people to use it effectively because it is basically a WIKI and needs to have the same kind of discipline / habits to make it usable.

If they can do inking support with Operational Transforms, they may be able to have a replay feature without even trying - something that many teachers seem to really want out of the product.

My friend and I love the product so much we've been trying to make our own online version with inking support w/ paper.js share.js, github, and localstorage.

Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by billrobertson42 on Wednesday September 30, 2015 @12:39AM (#10301814)
What is inking support?
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by Spivak on Wednesday September 30, 2015 @01:12AM (#10301925)
It has really good pen/stylus support. It has completely replaced handwritten notes for me.

However, although it's amazing compared to a pen and paper it's still incredibly frustrating to work with.

* It can't handle large amounts of handwriting without igniting relatively powerful computers

* It crashes constantly when trying to balance pen input with palm rejection

* Syncing doesn't really work with non-trivial merging and doesn't handle sync errors nor errors in general well -- all of these usually end up with handwriting layered on top of itself

* Syncing is basically out of your control, you can't do partial syncs when you really need a section/page fast, and large notebooks with handwriting can take hours to sync completely. I've basically resigned to splitting my notes into many smaller notebooks.

* Handwriting on the "Desktop" version is a complete joke and so you're constantly switching between the that and the app to get good handwriting and more features.

So it's great, until it doesn't work then it's a nightmare.

Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by elevenfist on Wednesday September 30, 2015 @01:59AM (#10302060)
OneNote works fairly well on Windows. The main issue I have with it is usability. Performance on Macs and iOS is fairly terrible though, from syncing lag, to input lag, (on an iPhone 6) to long load times.
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by aggieben on Wednesday September 30, 2015 @01:37PM (#10305649)
I used to love OneNote's writing experience - but it sucked hard at syncing data between devices. That was what Evernote absolutely nailed from the get go. They synced data seamlessly before anyone else, and ultimately that ended up being more important to me than the UX. Now, in 2015, I feel like Evernote has scratched the UX itch enough for me that I have no reason to go back to OneNote for the forseeable future. Penultimate provides a decent UX for writing even if not as sophisticated as OneNote, Scannable is brilliant for pulling things in via the camera, and the core note-taking app is perfectly adequate, IMO.
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by rodgerd on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:51PM (#10301419)
And Android.
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by everly on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:09PM (#10300132)
I was totally unaware of OneNote until it came with Windows 7 Enterprise at my first corporate job. I couldn't believe how great it was (at least on desktop), but I was too deep into Evernote by that point to make the switch.
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by douche on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:14PM (#10300173)
I've only really known about OneNote since it came bundled with Windows 8/on the Surface RT I got at work.

It seems like a fairly good product, although I really only use it for bookmarking tabs that Chrome seems to lose when it crashes/updates itself and nukes the "recently closed tabs" list.

Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by cheshire137 on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:06PM (#10300113)
Isn't OneNote still popular in education, like students taking notes in class?
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by irl_zebra on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @09:03PM (#10301046)
It is, and is integrated well with the Surface and the Surface pen. Works great for taking handwritten (or typed) notes and having it sync to my phone/desktop immediately. I use it often to take notes at meetings then I am able to send all the notes/diagrams to others in pdf form when I get back to my workstation.

Big fan of OneNote.

Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by blakeyrat on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:30PM (#10300262)
? OneNote has always been in the Office Home & Students version, hasn't it? It's also part of Office 365.
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by brazzledazzle on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @08:07PM (#10300804)
I think they shifted it to a Pro Plus-only feature in Office 2007 or 2010. I could be wrong though.

Edit: Vs. Office Standard. I have no insight into Home or Education versions.

Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by Spooky23 on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @11:50PM (#10301615)
I love what OneNote can do, the ability to record meeting video or capture a whiteboard talk with a smart board is magical. But I can't use it day to day.

Managing notebooks, tabs and pages is a real pain. I end up with a sprawling OneNote notebook that gets lost in the sprawl of OneDrive/SharePoint.

Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by apostrophedave on Wednesday September 30, 2015 @04:23AM (#10302504)
same here, ive been using it for two years now and it so tedious to organise stuff on the metro app that i just dont bother, so everything is a mess atm
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by JBiserkov on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:11PM (#10300154)
How do you mean? According to Wikipedia OneNote was launched in 2003, and has been part of the Home and Student editions of Office 2007, 2010, 2013 and 2016.
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by pjc50 on Wednesday September 30, 2015 @05:40AM (#10302755)
OneNote is a great MS product that they've totally failed to market. My wife uses it extensively; the drawing capture features integrate nicely with the Surface.
Re:Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices by Theodores on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @08:18PM (#10300852)
My working theory regarding OneNote is that it is a peculiarity of Australians. The only people I know that use it are Australian so maybe they have it on the national curriculum there instead of something like 'spelling'.