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Re:Medium Raises $57M by temuze on Monday September 28, 2015 @04:37PM (#10293015)
Step 1: Found successful startup (Blogger). Sell four years later to Google.

Step 2: Wait ten years. Then, repeat step 1 with similar idea but different branding (Medium).

At this rate, we have about 6 years until Ev does step 2 for Twitter. Maybe it'll be called Tiny :)

Re:Medium Raises $57M by byoung2 on Monday September 28, 2015 @04:48PM (#10293085)
I've noticed this same pattern with other founders, notably Dennis Crowley with Dodgeball (location-based social network founded in 2000, sold to Google in 2005) and Foursquare (location based social network with different branding).
Re:Medium Raises $57M by DannoHung on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:18PM (#10293277)
To be fair to him, Google drove Dodgeball straight into the ground.

To be mean to him: Deciding to split Foursquare into Yelp-lite and a shitty social network was a terrible, terrible idea.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by austenallred on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:29PM (#10293345)
Google also drove Blogger straight into the ground (though more slowly)
Re:Medium Raises $57M by CuttlefishXXX on Monday September 28, 2015 @06:56PM (#10293732)
The absolutely worst two things which happened to Blogger during the last few years are, IMO:

1. What I percieve to be excessive use of JS. You can't even load a blog post there (well, at least, couldn't last time I visited a dot-blogspot site) without an on-page spinner and a bunch of stuff apparently happening in the background.

2. The tld-redirect crap. Admitedly, I had actually thought a similar mechanism to be benefitial prior to seeing an actual implementation of it but I mean, come on, does this not annoy others? What's the advantage of that anyway? Google is capable of geographical load balancing with IP addresses alone just fine, what's the deal?

Disclaimer: These are my end-user reactions. I have never operated at the scale Blogger does so there may be reasons I am not aware of.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by xerophyte12932 on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @03:16AM (#10294979)
Exactly. Blogs are mostly text sites and one would expect such to open at rapid speeds. That's one of the things I like about Svbtle, they load the blog as one single request/response with all the text, styles, JS(barely noticeable) inline making for very rapid load times
Re:Medium Raises $57M by marktolson on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:55AM (#10294712)
I wouldn't say excessive use of JS was the problem. JS provides the foundations to tons of extremely fast websites and should (in most cases) assist with improving performance. I'd blame the overall implementation / design which led to scaling and performance issues.
Re:Medium Raises $57M by kemitche on Monday September 28, 2015 @07:16PM (#10293806)
What I hated about blogger was that for a "group" blog (say, the reddit blog, where different admins might post), any images added to the post get shown from the poster's google account (somehow). Which means if someone leaves the group, the images get hosed.
Re:Medium Raises $57M by snug on Monday September 28, 2015 @08:47PM (#10294145)
Am I the only one that likes the swam/foursquare split?

For me at least, I think it's much easier to keep track of places you've gone with your own reviews with swarm. And foursquare for finding new places you would want to go. I'm sure they could have built it in such a way that would only need one app, though I can't complain too much about the split.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by seiji on Monday September 28, 2015 @04:53PM (#10293123)
Happens with Cisco all the time too. Cisco acquires startup Y, founders vest for 4 years, founders leave Cisco and create Y+1, Cisco acquires Y+1, ....

It helps to get re-acquired once you have all the existing connections and the acquiring company knows you're not snake oil and aren't screwing them over.

There have been multiple Google->Startup->Google loops as well, but many of those are an acquihire-as-safety-net when the too hyped startup by too eager employees falls flat on its face.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by temuze on Monday September 28, 2015 @04:51PM (#10293112)
It's not that surprising if you think about it.

Some companies end too early because the technology or capital wasn't there to let it get to its full potential. Also, those founders tend to be the people who understand the space the best because they're the ones with the most experience.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by open-source-ux on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:19PM (#10293284)
"Found successful startup (Blogger)"

Speaking of Blogger...what's hapened to it? Wordpress, Tumblr and Medium are perhaps the three most popular blog platforms. Blogger, however, seems to have completely fallen off the radar. If you go to blogger.com, you don't even get a landing page for the service, just a Google sign-in. This gives me the impression that Google doesn't want to promote it or encourage new sign-ups. Perhaps they don't know what to do with it? Or perhaps they'd like to retire the service but can't because of all the sites and users that currently exist?

Re:Medium Raises $57M by austenallred on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:25PM (#10293314)
> Speaking of Blogger...what's happened to it?

Google bought it. RIP.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by gibrown on Monday September 28, 2015 @09:55PM (#10294330)
Blogger has 2.8% marketshare and mostly flat growth based on number of domains: http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management/...
Re:Medium Raises $57M by gohrt on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:40PM (#10293413)
G+ happened to it.
Re:Medium Raises $57M by seiji on Monday September 28, 2015 @04:51PM (#10293110)
You missed a step. Blogger (text posting on internet). Twitter (text posting on internet). Medium (text posting on internet). Nice hat trick.

But, if anybody deserves internet funny money, it's ev. He's the most genuine and least evil founder of internet things I've seen.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by angdis on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:06PM (#10293206)
While those are all "text posting on the internet", they're VERY distinct forms of text. He certainly has a deep understanding for writing and how writing can work on the internet. More power to him !
Re:Medium Raises $57M by volaski on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:36PM (#10293393)
yeah i guess, to you, nonfiction (text writing on paper), fiction (text writing on paper), poetry (text writing on paper), short story (text writing on paper), biography (text writing on paper), diary (text writing on paper), they're all the same old same old.
Re:Medium Raises $57M by vas1 on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:09PM (#10293215)
am I the only one that read that as "least evil founder of internet of things" ?
Re:Medium Raises $57M by austenallred on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:23PM (#10293306)
I think Ev is pretty clear about how this is different than Blogger. You may not buy it, but I appreciate his thinking, and find it very interesting. From https://medium.com/the-story/medium-is-not-a-publishing-tool...:

> Understanding Blogger as we did at the time — as a software tool for creating and publishing web sites — we found ourselves in the race many software makers know well: Add features, get more users. Competitor adds more features, lose users. (Marketing and others factors have some effect, depending on the market. In blogging, that was minimal.)

(skipping a few paragraphs)

> Chris Dixon had a great post a while back — Come for the tool, stay for the network — describing how, unlike Twitter, some platforms started out with tool value and transitioned into network value (which, ultimately, became a much bigger part of the equation, such is the case with Instagram). We had an inkling of this and were just getting started on the network piece of Blogger when I left 10+ years ago. It’s not that Blogger immediately suffered. Its ease-of-use continued to attract users in the tens of millions for many years. (According to Compete, blogspot.com had 63M visitors just this March.) But it was a pretty big missed opportunity for Google. (Don’t worry, they’ve done fine.)

> It will not surprise you that these observations reveal a lot about what we’re trying to do with Medium. We started out by building a great tool for writing. And it’s not even the editor itself that created the main value. It was the fact that you could easily write and share a story without the setup, overhead, or commitment level of starting a blog. It’s clear that there are many more people who occasionally have valuable perspectives to share than there are people who want to be “bloggers.” These people love writing on Medium, even if they see it as just a tool to create a nice page to point people to from Twitter.

> However, that’s not the point. Or, at least, that’s not the end. In the last few months, we’ve shifted more of our attention on the product side from creating tool value to creating network value. What does this mean? Obviously, one form of that value is distribution. And there’s no doubt that something published on Medium has a higher likelihood to find an audience than the same thing published on an untrafficked island on the web.

I think that makes sense. You can use Blogger or Wordpress or whatever to create a blog, but the difficult part is getting traction. Similarly to how Github is not only a place to host your .git repo, but also a "network" for finding/distributing those repos, Medium is not only a place to host your content, but a place to find and distribute that content.

Re:Medium Raises $57M by temuze on Monday September 28, 2015 @05:37PM (#10293394)
Oh, I totally buy it. I'm just joking around :). I said in another comment:

> Some companies end too early because the technology or capital wasn't there to let it get to its full potential.

Blogger is a clear case for that. If it was founded 5 years later, it could have had sharing features and been Tumblr.

Similarly, if Tumblr was founded now, it'd probably have a better comment system, cleaner design and collections. The real question is - is that enough to move the network effect over to Medium. I see Tumblr v. Medium as very similar to MySpace v. Facebook in that regard...

Re:Medium Raises $57M by ambicapter on Monday September 28, 2015 @07:00PM (#10293758)
I think they might've made a mistake trying to tie Medium to Twitter then. They should've tried to tie it to Facebook first and foremost, as people who want 140 characters are not gonna spend 10min on a piece of writing, while people on Facebook are always looking for something more interesting than 2nd cousin's baby pictures.