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Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by JohnTHaller on Sunday September 20, 2015 @11:13PM (#10250156)
Wired will be losing ad revenue due to Apple adding ad blocking abilities to mobile Safari. So, Wired moves content to Apple News which has ads that can't be blocked (and Apple conveniently takes a nice juicy cut of).
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by stevesearer on Sunday September 20, 2015 @11:41PM (#10250229)
I'm pretty sure they only take a cut of ads sold through their iAd system and take 0% cut for ads sold directly by the publication.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by JohnTHaller on Monday September 21, 2015 @12:56AM (#10250451)
Yes and no. This is basically a little bit disingenuous.

Today, most publications will use something like DoubleClick to manage their ads, sell a bunch directly to specific companies, setup bidding on some others via another provider hooked into the same system, and then use Google AdSense for the remnant inventory.

From my reading of it, on Apple News, you're required to use iAd to manage the inventory. iAd allows you to do direct sales through it's own system. And then all the rest are remnant and handled through iAd. Apple locks out all other players from that large part of the ad market, including Google. Knowing Apple... especially Google.

It's a brilliant two-pronged strategy to lock content providers and consumers into the Apple ecosystem.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by exelius on Monday September 21, 2015 @01:18PM (#10253700)
The setup you describe is only true of very small publishers (i.e. a single site). iAd is essentially a supply-side platform (SSP); just like DoubleClick. A large publisher like Wired will use what's called a demand-side platform (DSP) -- something like Auditude or Freewheel. This would allow you to manage ad sales between 3rd party ad networks, data partners, internal sales and remnant inventory in a way that provides the publisher with control over what ads get shown. A common setup is to bid an impression against multiple ad networks (and local inventory) based on the user's data profile (obtained from a data provider). Google consolidates all of this themselves, which makes it easier if you're small, but any major publisher is going to handle ad sales at least partially in house. Ad sales are the revenue stream, and you just don't outsource your revenue generation process -- period.

There's just a conflict of interest in doing it any other way. A DSP wants to play multiple SSPs against each other to get the highest priced ads for its content while preserving the user experience (DSPs often include features that allow you restrict the number of times an ad shows to the same user, etc). The SSPs are looking to get the best results for their advertisers at the lowest price.

It's not a brilliant move because platform lock-in is too easy to avoid thanks to the myriad of ad tech providers in the space. Apple will get some app developers and small sites with this, but 95% of the market has evolved past a solution like this into something far more "enterprise".

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by daenney on Monday September 21, 2015 @06:30AM (#10251371)
That does not appear to be true:

> Earn 100% of the revenue from ads you sell, and 70% when iAd sells ads for you.

https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documenta...

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by deong on Monday September 21, 2015 @07:01AM (#10251459)
That doesn't contradict his post saying "iAd allows you to do direct sales through it's own system".
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by daenney on Monday September 21, 2015 @10:26AM (#10252464)
It contradicts his implication that Apple will force you to use iAd, at least the way I'm interpreting it.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by deong on Monday September 21, 2015 @10:48AM (#10252629)
This (https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documenta...) seems clearer to me.

Quoting:

    How can I monetize my content?

    You can monetize your Apple News Format content with
    iAd, Apple’s advertising platform. Whether you sell your 
    own ads or have iAd sell on your behalf, you’ll earn 
    revenue from every impression in your articles and channels.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by cmelbye on Monday September 21, 2015 @12:17AM (#10250338)
I'm glad someone pointed this fact out. Source: https://developer.apple.com/news-publisher/
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by jad on Monday September 21, 2015 @01:03AM (#10250465)
I think there's almost no chance that the percentage of iOS users blocking ads is enough to meaningfully impact Wired's overall revenue from that story. Even given that ad blocking apps have been top sellers, it's still only available on iOS 9, which has been out less than a week. So surely revenue from all web users (without an ad blocker) outweigh the (presumably) tiny amount of ad revenue Wired will earn from Apple News. And even if all that were false, why would Wired alone give in so readily to what's basically bullying? It's just not a credible theory.

Way more likely is that Apple is paying them a nice chunk of cash for the exclusivity to help market their News app. Same thing they did with HBO Now for the Apple TV, and with various albums for the iTunes Store and Apple Music.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by deong on Monday September 21, 2015 @07:04AM (#10251465)
My understanding of Apple News is that it has nothing to do with iOS 9 content blocking. Apple News is a dedicated app that functions somewhat like an RSS reader serving up a special Readability-style version of the content. Even if you don't install an ad-blocker in iOS 9, you still don't see banner ads and such in Apple News.

That said, I imagine you're right and Apple just paid for the exclusive for marketing purposes.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by qubex on Monday September 21, 2015 @11:22AM (#10252883)
The point that is being made is that by cutting off a fraction of mobile ad revenue by allowing blockers, Apple might be seen to be cynically herding content providers towards its walled-garden platform wherein iAd is the exclusive provider of adverts, which cannot be blocked. Whether this is the true intention of their strategy or merely a coincidence is a matter of some (understandably contentious) debate.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by simonh on Monday September 21, 2015 @09:56AM (#10252259)
> Even given that ad blocking apps have been top sellers, it's still only available on iOS 9, which has been out less than a week.

iOS9 penetration is already past 50%(1). New versions usually get mass adoption very quickly.

(1) http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/21/apple-ios-9-50-percent/

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by AJ007 on Monday September 21, 2015 @11:51AM (#10253074)
Every single user could block ads until mobile began taking over. Media companies hyping how damaging ad blockers are this past week and a half is that they have successfully created mass awareness that you may block ads.

If you are a publisher there are scripts and tools you may use to detect ad blockers. I would recommend running one.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by btown on Monday September 21, 2015 @12:42AM (#10250413)
It's almost certain that Apple's long game is to make this the norm. If there's one surefire way to get people addicted to ad blockers, it's to make them available on mobile devices. Once enough content creators start moving content behind News-walls, then Apple can roll out desktop versions of News. And as people then start asking each other "how do I get ad blocking in my browser as well," Apple's well positioned to be the only unblockable advertising platform, period. They could even use iTunes as a vector to deliver an Apple News desktop app to Windows machines.

It's brilliant and will completely change the balance of power in online advertising. Google will not be happy...

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by exodust on Monday September 21, 2015 @02:57AM (#10250771)
"It's brilliant"

Locking away articles in native apps so people can't block ads isn't brilliant. Apple encouraging ad blocking on the web to "nudge" publishers into their exclusive native eco-system is nothing but typical tech giant arrogance.

Wired publishing stories that when clicked from Google go to place-holders with pointers to native should be penalised by Google search, and I hope they are. There is nothing on the Google results page to indicate the link is anything less than the content.

Native app "content browsers" are all about less control for users. Native has always been about that. Sometimes less control works for users. No distractions, just minimal concentrated function. Other times, like with news articles, users are missing out on basic things like bookmarking; sharing the link - there isn't even a link; accessibility is out the window; copy and paste is out the window; discussion and comments are all but closed/extinct; no choice of browser to access the article. It's not good news for users.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by Lawtonfogle on Monday September 21, 2015 @10:19AM (#10252417)
>Locking away articles in native apps so people can't block ads isn't brilliant.

I'm reminded of a quote:

"After all, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things — terrible, yes, but great."

-Ollivander

I agree the path mobile seems to be heading down is terrible.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by rimantas on Monday September 21, 2015 @06:52AM (#10251432)
I don't get it. Firefox and Chrome had ability to install ad blockers for ages. As soon as Apple adds this to iOS they are sudenly the bad gays. And before they did add this I am sure there were those not happy about that and ranting about the walled garden.

One more thing about accessibility: iOS is head and sholders above pretty much each "modern" this site in this regard.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by exodust on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @02:41AM (#10256980)
"I don't get it. Firefox and Chrome had ability to install ad blockers for ages..."

The point is, while introducing ad-blocking for iOS Safari, Apple are simultaneously promoting a separate platform that is immune to ad-blocking.

Apple would call it "business" and that would be valid. But when the "business" involves shifty one-two deals with publishers like Wired, whereby the website becomes nothing more than a jump-point to the app, suddenly we have a situation where not just particular technologies like Flash are in the cross-hairs, but the web itself.

We like the web, remember? When it works well it's the most accessible, light-weight, least technical-debt means to online content there is, both for users and developers/publishers.

Note that Apple are not allowing developers to write any old add-on for iOS Safari. Imagine if they opened up add-ons for Safari? That would be worth applauding. We could then fix many of iOS Safari's shortcomings, and give it some much needed extra functionality.

"One more thing about accessibility: iOS is head and sholders above"

The web has more accessible characteristics built-in because of the way the data is openly available to different clients. Native apps controlled by one vendor like Apple are the complete opposite. Regardless of some advances in accessibility options within apps, accessibility isn't among the "out of the box" strengths of the technology you get for free like you do for web.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by lantern-manner on Monday September 21, 2015 @12:51AM (#10250442)
I don't think you're taking into account that websites are free to create their own apps, and advertise there. There's little incentive for a content creator to have their content off the net, and into someone else's apps.

Im not understanding Wired's motivation here, but I'm not too concerned because Wired isn't the most intelligent publication in the first place.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by Kankuro on Monday September 21, 2015 @01:16AM (#10250491)
"websites are free to create their own apps"

The users may accept to install a few apps (Apple/Google/… News), but not one for each website.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by qubex on Monday September 21, 2015 @11:27AM (#10252921)
I pine for the WIRED of yesteryear. The current publication is but a pallid, embarrassing shadow of a formerly brilliant publication. It's now on a par with VICE, GQ or some such, and quite frankly, it is heartbreaking. The guiding light of my youth essentially extinguished (particularly as I grew up in nineties Italy, from where it provided a fascinating and prescient window into the social aspects of tech).

</rant>

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by josteink on Monday September 21, 2015 @02:56AM (#10250767)
You assume everyone and their grandmother has Apple-equipment.

Most of the world doesn't.

Saying that you will only do business with those who has Apple-equipment is leaving out most of the market, and doing so would be suicide for most businesses.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by adamlett on Monday September 21, 2015 @10:40AM (#10252579)
> Most of the world doesn't.

Technically true, but most of the world doesn't matter. Only the part which has disposable income does. The more disposable income, the more it matters.

Last I heard, Apple had around 50% market share in the US and going up. And I'm betting that it's the 50% that matters most.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by rodgerd on Monday September 21, 2015 @04:41AM (#10251080)
> It's brilliant

Only in the same sense cable monopolies are brilliant.

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by rybosome on Monday September 21, 2015 @11:33AM (#10252953)
This deeply concerns me. There's some debate as to the future efficacy of this tactic, but it is possible to imagine a scenario in which Apple is successful at moving content into its private service. The obvious downside of this is that a single company now controls what used to be an open publishing platform. What are the chances that Apple allows you to publish controversial articles to its service, particularly those criticizing Apple? And how are users on non-Apple platforms to get access to this info? This move doesn't even really benefit Apple users since the news app will still display ads, just controlled by a different tech company. This is good for Apple, but neutral to bad for the rest of us.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by sidthekid on Monday September 21, 2015 @11:21AM (#10252875)
Can't a simple solution be: websites detect if their ads are being blocked (by iOS9 or whatever) and blur their content until the user disables the adblock?
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by vitd on Monday September 21, 2015 @02:40PM (#10254269)
That's certainly an option, but probably not a very useful one. It's like stopping piracy. Piracy can actually have a positive affect on sales. Person A who pirates your software or music doesn't pay you, but they tell other people about it, and some of them, who wouldn't have known about it, do pay for it leading to more sales than you would have otherwise had.

It's the same with content. If I go to read your article and you block it because I'm blocking ads, I'm not going to tell anyone about it and I'm not going to share the link. You then don't get the ad revenue from that sharing, so it's a net loss for you.

(And of course, if I go to read it, and it says I need a special app, I'm also not going to read it or share the link.)

Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by wickes on Monday September 21, 2015 @02:04PM (#10254024)
The only way you'd ever get users to disable their ad blockers on your website would be injecting them with a fast-acting poison and publishing directions to the antidote. If a regular publisher of article-based content tried this, they would just end up with no readers.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by rimantas on Monday September 21, 2015 @03:30AM (#10250866)
What makes you think Apple is interested to be the advertising platform?
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by sangnoir on Monday September 21, 2015 @04:35AM (#10251063)
You don't have to wonder: Newsstand and iAd already exist. It's not a hypothetical.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by rimantas on Monday September 21, 2015 @06:57AM (#10251448)
Newsstand does not exist any more. iAd… I guess it still exists, but I wonder how long will it last. Ads are very unpopular among iOS users. I doubt Apple was thinking about making much money from it, more like they gave an alternative way to make money to developers.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by aioprisan on Monday September 21, 2015 @04:03AM (#10250966)
One word: money
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by rimantas on Monday September 21, 2015 @06:58AM (#10251450)
This word applies to Google in regards to ads. For apple hardware=money. And promising better security and less tracking for the users they can sell more hardware.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by fezz on Sunday September 20, 2015 @11:26PM (#10250180)
This should almost be the title of the thread.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by stock_toaster on Monday September 21, 2015 @04:27AM (#10251031)
I can see it now. "Ad network makes money selling ads". Probably wouldn't have been upvoted as much though.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by andrewstuart2 on Sunday September 20, 2015 @11:42PM (#10250230)
They'd better be getting an extra cut for the exclusivity period, though. Otherwise that part would be pointless. They could just serve this page for only IOS9 devices based on user agent.
Re:“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News ... by smpetrey on Monday September 21, 2015 @01:08PM (#10253616)
It should be noted, (although I may be alone here on this) I'm not seeing any ads on the Apple News story. My guess, is the story is to gauge traffic and _ad potential_.