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Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by qyv on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:14PM (#10195286)
The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Spooky23 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @11:26PM (#10196015)
You're the wrong kind of user. I do end user architecture in a large enterprise, we ran into this with a lot of early adopters.

People who are mobile (as in floating around an office or travel) whose job tasks are easily attributable to specific applications are very happy with iPads. Ideally, the number of applications they use every day on a traditional PC is less than 5. Examples: Sales, Executives, auditors, policemen, medical professionals, case workers.

We had one group of auditors who literally sent my team a $200 fruit basket in appreciation for their iPads. The card said something like "You changed our lives. Thank you!" Executives spend 95% of their day in mail or approving things... again, perfect use case as long as that workflow doesn't require IE6 :)

If you're a consultant, whose specific tasks may change day to day, a full-stack devops guy using any of 15 tools, or a professional writer churning out copy, than an iPad doesn't work. That's ok... a $500 nailgun doesn't make sense for hanging a picture. We have the luxury of choosing tools these days... in 1999, mobile == 12 lb laptop with cable!

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by bduerst on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:07AM (#10196093)
Have those users also used a surface pro or a chromebook? I'm wondering if they're just happy to have an extra tablet device or if they have a frame of reference.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Spooky23 on Thursday September 10, 2015 @08:25AM (#10197594)
Key parts of our stack(s) won't work with Chromebook, so didn't go that route.

I haven't seen anyone, including Microsoft badged people, using a Surface Pro as anything but a nice laptop.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by aalbertson on Friday September 11, 2015 @12:28AM (#10202025)
neteng where I work uses one with an external wifi adapter to test our wifi infra.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by fsloth on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:20AM (#10196759)
"We had one group of auditors who literally sent my team a $200 fruit basket in appreciation for their iPads."

Were they using a custom made app for their specific task or something like that?

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Spooky23 on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:21PM (#10198953)
It was a web app. With a laptop, their compliance requirements required hibernation. So the workflow was:

- Pre-boot authentication. - Windows sign-in - VPN two-factor sign-in - Web Portal access - Find your thing.

Best case, that process took 7-9 minutes, at a customer site using guest wifi or air-card in an office building, with a potentially angry customer. Not fun. The typical user does that 5-10 times a day, and in many cases the workers were actually preparing paper reports on their own time to function.

Enter iPad. Access was a snap, and it performed better with marginal cellular connections. Accessing the web portal did still require a two-factor challenge, but that two factor was effective for ALL of their internal access. We used a web browser that gave them a native iPad browsing experience (vs. an SSL-VPN'd IE) and access to several different systems via app.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by clinta on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:47PM (#10199138)
From your description it sounds more like process changes were needed rather than hardware. If the sensitive data is all in a web app, you don't really need pre-boot authentication, and could even allow windows to automatically sign in. I'm guessing you exposed your web app to the internet with 2 factor for the iPad, you could have done the same thing for windows clients and eliminated the VPN.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by dogma1138 on Thursday September 10, 2015 @08:46PM (#10201406)
"Sadly" (or not) the compliance requirements for mobile vs PC's are completely fubar.

If you run under any regulation (PCI-DSS, HIPAA etc.) your PC will have to be hardened, have anti-virus, full disk encryption, 2 factor auth for remote connection and tick every other possible "security" box to be compliant.

Mobile well it's easy just have an MDM and do what ever the fuck you want, so if you want to use your laptop from the train in a regulated industry you'll have to stand on one foot, hold the laptop over your head while giving a blood sample to authenticate you and on the other hand you can just hope on your tablet/mobile phone connect to your office using VPN on-demand or even a regular web app (as long as it's SSL because dur-dur security!) and you're golden.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by clinta on Friday September 11, 2015 @07:52AM (#10203138)
I've had to deal with both HIPAA and PCI-DSS and in both cases if the sensitive data is all stored within the web app, and the authentication to the web app is good and communication to the web app is encrypted, you do not have to secure the endpoint. Both of those are about securing the sensitive data, and keeping sensitive data off the endpoint is a perfectly valid method of doing so.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by dogma1138 on Friday September 11, 2015 @09:37AM (#10203566)
I don't know what you had to deal with regarding PCI or HIPAA but if the endpoint is in scope you have whole chapters about how you should "secure" it, same goes for remote access (VPN, Jump boxes etc.). If the endpoint was in scope I would like to see the QSA that signed an AOC/ROC which stated that the endpoints weren't secured...
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by clinta on Friday September 11, 2015 @11:20AM (#10204150)
The endpoints don't need to be in scope if they're not storing PII.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by dogma1138 on Friday September 11, 2015 @01:18PM (#10204898)
PCI-DSS the endpoints you use to connect to the CHD environment are in scope, other endpoints that are used to interact with CHD data e.g. POI's or CS terminals are also in scope.

HIPAA endpoints that are used to access, view or input patient data are in scope.

I am a QSA.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Spooky23 on Friday September 11, 2015 @03:23PM (#10205665)
You received bad advice.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Spooky23 on Thursday September 10, 2015 @05:46PM (#10200750)
We could technically do something like that, but we couldn't meet the compliance requirements.

A better alternative in a laptop form factor would be a zero client laptop, but they are very niche devices.

I didn't really go into detail about the full use case, they get other benefits from the overall snappy iPad experience in terms of switching apps, etc.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:20PM (#10195305)
The starbucks full of students typing out reports on iPads with bluetooth keyboards begs to differ. I mean, obviousy, you can't do all work on an iPad, but for a certain class of "work" it works fine.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by qyv on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:45PM (#10195376)
Of course. And don't get me wrong, the iPad is far from worthless and Apple is far from Trivial in the space. The point is that Apple is no longer the leader/innovator in the space. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think that a lot of iOS devices get sold on intangibles rather than concrete benefits or capabilities. Apple has created tremendous value in these intangibles by being so awesome/innovative/ahead for the last 8 years, that has created a tremendous amount of loyalty in iOS users and sells a LOT of iOS devices every single generation despite the substantial (to most people) costs. People who depend on tech to make their living (often) require more than intangible benefits, and the competition has now caught/surpassed them as far as tech goes, and usually for a lower price.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:08PM (#10195458)
I don't see where the competition is coming from. Samsung? Google? Xiaomi?

Outside of Microsoft (disclosure: MS employee), I don't see much competition for Apple in the innovative premium tablet space. They still execute well in the phone space, watch seems to be shaping up fine, they are still the only PC maker that is known for producing PCs that can last. The costs don't seem too off from the competition, unless we are talking about Xiaomi or Lenovo, but then the tradeoffs are obvious (no longer in the premium space).

I do see Apple slowing down a bit in innovation. I mean, if iPad Pro was released last year (stylus, yeh!), I might have bought it, but the Surface 3 came out instead, which is quite decent (I won't go SP3 because of the fan). But Apple is still executing well, they aren't making many mistakes. They have built up a loyal fanbase and haven't done anything to betray them yet.

People who depend on tech are usually about the shiny more than normal consumers, who just want to get what they need done. The rabid irrational Apple fanboy isn't grandma, no, it is the young kid working in tech.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by wutbrodo on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:52AM (#10196193)
> People who depend on tech are usually about the shiny more than normal consumers, who just want to get what they need done. The rabid irrational Apple fanboy isn't grandma, no, it is the young kid working in tech.

This may perhaps reflect the different professional subcultures we're around, but IME "people who depend on tech" are _less_ prone to this (not necessarily the rabid fanboying but the equivalent effect). I think you're underestimating the effect that an unwillingness to do (relatively) in-depth research has on the purchasing decisions of "normal consumers". I.e., "wanting what they need to get done" is a wonderful wish, but it's somewhat meaningless when decoupled from knowing the differences/capabilities of each device. I don't think it's controversial to say that normal consumers put much much more faith in the wisdom of the crowds, and (if they can afford it), Apple products are the beginning and end of their search. The fact that "Android" or even "high-end Android" isn't a cohesive brand to the casual observer means that iPhones seem like a plurality of their cursory data set, even when it's not the majority (which, at least in the US, is pretty often).

Even in 2015, I have people asking me in slightly shocked tones why I don't use an iPhone, and their certainty is always based entirely on social proof (they generally have no knowledge about whatever is I happen to be using).

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by computerjunkie on Thursday September 10, 2015 @07:32AM (#10197389)
I have people asking me in slightly shocked tones why I don't use an iPhone, and their certainty is always based entirely on social proof

I cannot count the amount of times I have experienced this phenomena. A couple of years ago, when I first got an android phone, I remember someone say "Ha, you don't have an iPhone, your poor!"... the content of the comment didn't really disturb me, what did was the reasoning which lead the person to generate such a perspective.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by jlebar on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:41AM (#10196832)
> Outside of Microsoft (disclosure: MS employee), I don't see much competition for Apple in the innovative premium tablet space.

Care to break down Apple vs. Microsoft's revenues in tablets? I can't imagine it's within two orders of magnitude, at which point I'd hardly say that Microsoft counts as competition. But maybe I'm wrong about the numbers.

(Granted, you said "pro tablets". I doubt we can get numbers on that, but I think the relevant distinction is "tablets used for work" rather than "tablets with XYZ specs", and in that space too I suspect without data that Apple is far and beyond the leader in terms of revenue.)

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by seanmcdirmid on Thursday September 10, 2015 @07:54AM (#10197493)
I'm really just an outside observer like everyone else :). But the Surface Pro 3 and even the Surface 3 (S3) aren't really competing with the iPad, they really have different use cases (I do work on my S3, but I'm typing this post in bed on my iPad Air!). So Apple definitely leads in the tablet market by far, but I think we could be more competitive in the prosumer tablet space that they are entering with the iPad pro. More to the point: Apple is basically validating this market, which can only be good for us as long as we can provide a decent alternative (which I think we do). What is clear is that android tablets are in a bit of trouble at all ends...they really need to do some rethinking.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by reilly3000 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @10:15PM (#10195848)
I'm stoked for the fanless SP4. I wonder if there will be Ubuntu drivers for the pen.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by peteretep on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:27AM (#10196145)
From the top...

    > iPad is far from worthless and Apple is far from
    > Trivial in the space
Far from trivial doesn't really capture a device that combines being the most expensive with a 75% market share in the US[0] and where US tablet ownership among internet users is 54%[1].

    > The point is that Apple is no longer the leader/innovator in
    > the space
Oooh, is there (yet another) new iPhone killer out again this month?

    > People who depend on tech to make their living (often) require
    > more than intangible benefits, and the competition has now
    > caught/surpassed them as far as tech goes
Those silver rectanges with the pretty apple logo on them have absolutely dominated every single developer event I've been at in recent memory.

[0] https://chitika.com/insights/2014/q4-tablet-update [1] https://www.globalwebindex.net/blog/tablet-ownership-highest...

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by wutbrodo on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:56AM (#10196196)
Note: I'm not taking a position on the actual capability of iPads in the professional space, but this comment is a masterstroke in setting up strawmen and bravely knocking them down.

I'm not the parent commenter, but from the top...

> Far from trivial doesn't really capture a device that combines being the most expensive with a 75% market share in the US[0] and where US tablet ownership among internet users is 54%[1].

As hinted at by the first part of the sentence you're responding to, this thread is talking about the quality of iOS devices for professional work, not their popularity.

> Oooh, is there (yet another) new iPhone killer out again this month?

The snark here handily hides the lack of substance: once again, the reason there's no iPhone-killer (and I don't anticipate there being one for some time) is a different question from whether there's an alternative better-suited to professional work.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by acchow on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:05AM (#10196218)
"The point is that Apple is no longer the leader/innovator in the space"

But Apple never created new product categories successfully in the past. People bought Macs in lieu of PC's; iPods in lieu of Discmans/minidisc/other MP3 players; iPhones in lieu of flip phones, candy bars, or blackberries.

They tried to create a new product category with the iPad and get people who don't own a computer to buy one (or buy one in addition to their normal computer purchases). It's been mildly successful so far, but sales have been falling. Apple should probably stick with replacing existing product categories with a well-designed, premium alternative.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by randyrand on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @09:34PM (#10195708)
The most annoying bit related to getting real work done on iOS is how long it takes to switch apps. Switching from one app to the other should be 1 click if you want to get serious work done. This is how windows and the surface work. 1 click. A taskbar at the bottom. It works. The current iOS takes 2 clicks, a swipe, and a tap. Unacceptable for multiasking.

Now that iIOS has multitasking it changes in an important way. I wonder if it can be a productivity device now. But its still not great when it comes to balancing more than 2 apps.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by ronyeh on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @09:58PM (#10195803)
It's a bit of a hidden feature, but for 4 years, iOS has had multitasking gestures.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1163019/ios_5_new_gestures.h...

If you swipe with four fingers to the left or right, you can move between your two most recent apps. Hopefully iOS9 will make "multi-tasking" even easier.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by e28eta on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:44AM (#10196177)
I find the swipe and pinch gestures essential.

I think I heard at WWDC that iOS 9 adds support for command-tab, which goes great with a hardware keyboard.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by caipre on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @10:52PM (#10195929)
*On iPad. This gesture does nothing on my iPhone 5s running iOS 9.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by simonh on Thursday September 10, 2015 @05:58AM (#10197091)
True, it is iPad only. To be fair, it's a bit of a struggle for me to even get 4 fingers on 5s at the same time, let alone swipe them, but it would be handy on my 6+. I use swiping to switch apps on my iPad heavily. It revolutionized how I use the device.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by CardenB on Thursday September 10, 2015 @09:21AM (#10197837)
You can also alt-tab if you have a keyboard
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by ams6110 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:28PM (#10195519)
Thanks to Google Docs/Sheets?
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by numbsafari on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:33PM (#10195348)
Yeah, I'm with the other commenter.

I would still be using my iPad for development, except for the fact that I found the 9.5" screen to be just too limiting. The other reason was that all the bluetooth keyboards require a separate cable for charging, which I hate.

The larger screen and the fact that they keyboard cover is powered by the tablet itself makes this super compelling.

Not for my "every day development" machine, but for use on road trips or so I can go spend some time in the middle of the woods without a full-sized laptop in tow.

Also, the updated screen tech for the pencil hopefully means I don't need to buy a separate Wacom tablet.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by fillskills on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:34PM (#10195541)
May I ask what kind of development tools are available on the ipad? What is the dev workflow? I am very interested in this and hope this becomes more and more common as tablets evolve to support development. But havent seen anything serious enough yet.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by tammer on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:51PM (#10195590)
Working Copy[1] is the first app I've seen to come along and really change the situation. A pretty glaring limitation of previous solutions was reliance on SSH for git control. Working Copy provides a great subset of git tools graphically. It's got a great editor, and lets you bounce files into any editor you please to be committed when appropriate.

Coda[2] for iOS is also very compelling for a number of tasks, most importantly web development with a live preview. Editorial[3] is worth mentioning as well for it's deep customizability and scriptability.

So, the workflow is still pretty reliant on a desktop or VPS somewhere but the tools are becoming much cleaner and more integrated along the newer app communication features of iOS.

[1]: http://workingcopyapp.com [2]: https://panic.com/coda-ios/ [3]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/editorial/id673907758?mt=8

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by fillskills on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @10:31PM (#10195882)
Thanks. These tools are very nice. WorkingCopy looks seriously awesome. Will try it out. Like you mentioned there are lot of limitations on these tools and iOS itself. Would love to see local servers (is that even possible?) or other deployment strategies to test when access to desktop is not possible.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by rdsnsca on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:15AM (#10196116)
You might also want to talk a look at Dash (API Documentation Browser with over 150 docksets) and Dringend (IDE).

https://kapeli.com/dash_ios http://dringend.cc

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by numbsafari on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @10:44PM (#10195912)
I used Prompt, by Panic.

I basically used the tablet as a terminal to an EC2 instance. vim, tmux, git ...

When I was away from Wifi, it was a good excuse not to think about work.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by fumar on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:43PM (#10195371)
Interesting to hear a user not interested in the angle of the screen. This is something that is a big concern for productivity focused sessions on any device. Mainly comfort and posture come to mind, but I also think viewability is worth mentioning. It is one of the reasons why monitors tilt. It looks like the the iPad Pro is limited to one angle when the keyboard is in use. I am curious to see how consumers deal with the first-gen and how apple will solve this going forward.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by rayalez on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @11:07PM (#10195970)
I use my iPad for content creation every day and it's fantastic.

Editorial is perfect for writing and blogging.

Procreate is awesome for painting(of course it's not PS+Wacom, but it is surprisingly good).

I can use Recorder to record audio for my videos.

And Pinnacle Studio is a surprisingly awesome for editing videos.

Maybe they don't exactly compete with pro tools available for mac and pc, but they are amazing. And Pinnacle/Procreate totally crush everything available on Linux(for my purposes).

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by osxrand on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:58AM (#10196312)
Editorial is a fantastic app, as is procreate, use both of those constantly. The first iPad mini with editorial took over from all my other computers for writing, well everything.

From notes, to scripts for clients servers, it just took over.

Being able to quickly sketch, or take a photo of something and add notes too it quickly is super handy.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by cezarywojcik on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @09:13PM (#10195647)
I got a Surface Pro 3 almost exclusively for using OneNote on it. It's pretty great for that, but having Windows in the way was sometimes annoying. The Surface is capable of a lot more than I do with it, but I have my MacBook for everything that isn't handwriting. The iPad Pro is exactly what I wanted - a device for writing down notes, sketching designs, and doing so seamlessly without the "bloat" of a full OS in the way.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Bjartr on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @09:27PM (#10195692)
Microsoft tried to make something for that market with their WinRT surface tablets, the market responded with chirping crickets.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by 72deluxe on Thursday September 10, 2015 @05:23AM (#10196977)
True, but I think the problem was that the WinRT looked like ordinary Windows but couldn't run any of the applications that people put on them (x86 binaries). Plus, it was competing against another form of itself (the Pro) in a squashed market anyway (Android gazillion models + iPad), where people typically saw tablets as a consumption device (I could be wrong, but my dad still dislikes my mum's iPad and will go to his laptop to do anything any day).

So WinRT and SurfaceRT struggled. My sister bought one and liked it though.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by dogma1138 on Thursday September 10, 2015 @08:51PM (#10201429)
X86 wasn't there then it is there now the non-Pro Surfaces don't run WindowsRT anymore and they are very cheap for what they offer and unless you actually run Photoshop then there's also very little reason to get the Pro these days.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by greendestiny on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @10:48PM (#10195924)
I think this is the angle of attack that Apple is taking here. They want to catch up to the handwriting and sketching abilities of Surface, but they don't want a hybrid OS.

In a lot of ways the Surface is a laptop with a detachable keyboard and the OS and eco system is still based on that. Apple wants their eco system to develop from a clean touch OS base into productivity areas. Having said that, they are really lagging in this area and the momentum has shifted well away from iPads in the business world.

The Surface might beat the iPad pro, but I do wonder if the either will be the future of productivity compared with a laptop and a tablet.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by btgeekboy on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:32AM (#10196267)
> In a lot of ways the Surface is a laptop with a detachable keyboard

I picked one up on a curious whim, and often use this language to describe the Surface 3. It really does act like a laptop, all the way down to going to sleep while I'm playing music, and hibernating during periods of inactivity.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by 72deluxe on Thursday September 10, 2015 @05:27AM (#10196990)
Out of interest, are Surfaces gaining in popularity in the business world?? I do not mix with sufficient business types (I associate with penny pinchers who scoff at buying cheap Windows laptops and gag when anything Apple comes along).

My brother-in-law will probably love this iPad Pro as he is a financial advisor and spends a lot of time getting quotes from websites, so he loves his iPad. He hates his MacBook Pro as he says "it keeps too many things open and doesn't shut them down properly" which is indicative of not understanding how apps close on OSX (or bothering to learn), and an interesting side-effect of the 'freeze-dried' app states on iOS for multitasking. I would have thought that OSX > iOS (I find using the iPad frustrating as it is like using a child's toy with no filesystem access) but for "real world" users it is obviously different. Enlightening to me anyway!

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by greendestiny on Thursday September 10, 2015 @06:21AM (#10197164)
Yes, Surfaces are especially popular for enterprises right now. I think most enterprises had started to embrace iPads because iPhones are the number one phone choice, but it's a pretty easy sell to get an enterprise back on Windows when they are so entrenched in the desktop.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by qubex on Thursday September 10, 2015 @06:03AM (#10197102)
No filesystem access infuriates me.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by bobajeff on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:32PM (#10195347)
My dad loves his iPad he got one with a keyboard cover. I think he does everything he can on it.

Before that he got a bulky Vista laptop that was on sale. He said that he felt silly walking around the airport with it when everyone else had some light tablet.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by code_sterling on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:42PM (#10195563)
If there were a fully functional iTerm2 port with the capability to remap caps to escape on a Bluetooth keyboard, I'd never need a laptop again.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by _Ogre on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:48PM (#10195578)
Coda is very nice and comes very close to being my perfect remote admin app. Keyboard support is arguably the one weak spot though.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by x0 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @09:08PM (#10195634)
iTerm2, goddamn. It's the reason I use OS X.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by jpalomaki on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:26AM (#10196773)
Surface Pro is nice since you can run all the existing enterprise apps, but how many of those apps will offer great user experience on tables? Apple is kind of forcing companies to create apps specifically for the tablet use.

Obviously there is nothing preventing companies from creating new tablet version of apps for surface as well, but there might be a problem with the corporate "if it works, you won't get a budget to fix it" thinking.