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Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by bane on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @01:53PM (#10192919)
This is Apple definitely responding to high-end pressure from increasingly successful Surfaces in the same way the iPad mini was a response to pressure from the low-end by small Android tablets.

This is basically Apple saying "let's make a Surface with a bigger screen and do it the Apple way".

It's weird seeing Microsoft participate in it.

Other than size, there's not much that Android tablets need to respond to, there's already been large high-end Android tablets with great pen input (no angle detection, but they're all Watcom class).

What I think was most interesting here was the incessant pitch that this is a productivity device not a media consumption device.

For the full experience you're looking at:

$800 for the pad

$100 for the pencil

$170 for the keyboardcase

And we're in low-end laptop territory without necessarily cannibalizing their laptop business, but it fires shots across the bow of also increasingly popular Chromebooks which are around this price point.

Edit: for people confused, I meant a low-end Apple laptop not a Windows machine, which are much cheaper. This is priced to barely overlap with the bottom-end. The pricing ensures the two segments are partitioned.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by rev_bird on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:19PM (#10193119)
For some context, I'd disagree with the "low-end laptop" characterization, though if you mean "low-end" in terms of, say, Thinkpads and MacBook Pros, then yeah you're right on.

My Chromebook cost about 20 percent more than the keyboardcase alone, and I'm writing this comment on an i7 laptop with 8 gigs of RAM and a GeForce video card, which cost less than the pad and case. I get that there's some appeal in entering the Apple ecosystem, but for my needs, I don't think it's a "shot across the bow" of very many actual, full-featured laptops that I'm allowed to actually install stuff on.

(edit: Aaaand while I was looking up my laptop's specs, everyone else made the same comment as I. Leaving here in case it helps.)

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by dragonwriter on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:12PM (#10193063)
> but it fires shots across the bow of also increasingly popular Chromebooks which are around this price point.

The price point is more like (a little under) the at-release Surface Pro than popular Chromebooks (its a little cheaper than the Chromebook Pixel, but that's not really the big seller -- the popular models are at the low end.)

Both by form factor and price, this seems more to be competing more with the big "pro" tablets that the Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 (slightly cheaper) and the Surface Pro (3 was slightly more expensive at release, 4 probably will be too, 3 is slightly less expensive right now) than Chromebooks.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Someone1234 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:57PM (#10193449)
While the Pro 3 was slightly more expensive, if you include the keyboard cover and pen, I'd argue this is much more expensive (included pen & $120 for the cover/keyboard, Vs. $99 + $170).

And the Pro 3's pen/drawing experience has received pretty good reviews after some early software jitters.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by abritinthebay on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:21PM (#10193657)
To be fair you'd have to include the Pro 3's keyboard cover in that too - $120.

Also the Surface stylus isn't in the same league. So you'd have to compare to something like the N-Trig stylus which is an extra $50.

Cheaper? Yes, though I'd say the Apple ones are better quality (especially looking at the keyboard cover).

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Someone1234 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:29PM (#10193739)
> Also the Surface stylus isn't in the same league. So you'd have to compare to something like the N-Trig stylus which is an extra $50.

The Surface Pro 3's pen is an N-Trig... Yeah, so not $50 more, included right in the box. And it has reviewed excellently by artists.

> Yes, though I'd say the Apple ones are better quality (especially looking at the keyboard cover).

You have absolutely no basis for claiming that the Apple pen and cover are superior. Literally nobody has reviewed them, you haven't used them, nobody you know has used them, and you didn't even know they existed two hours ago.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by abritinthebay on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:38PM (#10193848)
I've used the Surface Pro's cover - it's crap. Based on the dome switches (which I have used the previous generation of) the Apple one is already better.

So yes, I have a basis for claiming that - one based on the hardware used and direct experience with the competition.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Someone1234 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:55PM (#10194061)
> I've used the Surface Pro's cover - it's crap. Based on the dome switches

Nope, scissor-switch. It is mechanical.

They used to sell one called the Touch Cover which is likely what you're describing, they don't anymore (discontinued, years ago).

> the Apple one is already better.

Because, why? You haven't used the Surface Pro 3 (as evidence by your own posts), you haven't used this (as evidence by the fact that nobody outside of Apple has), and you keep making basic mistakes about how both work.

This is like the N-Trig remark all over again.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by abritinthebay on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @06:36PM (#10195115)
> Nope, scissor-switch. It is mechanical.

I know, I was saying that the Apple one was better based on my experience with their Dome Switches vs my experience with the Surface keyboard.

You fail at reading comprehension. Just because you can't read, don't blame me.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by soyiuz on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:04PM (#10193011)
The price point for Chromebooks is ~200-300. My ASUS Flip was $250.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by izzydata on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:32PM (#10193244)
$1000 gets you a powerful high end laptop in terms of hardware. You might be sacrificing build quality at that price though, but you can get good specs for that.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by ant6n on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:46PM (#10193365)
...and on the software side, you don't even have sysadmin access
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by derefr on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:35PM (#10193817)
Or, from the opposed perspective, you're paying Apple to do your sysadmin tasks for you.

(Really, you do have sysadmin access, if you care enough. My iPhone has a profile on it put there by my [big, enterprise-y] employer, which gives them the ability to do pretty much whatever they want—including side-loading applications. I'm surprised nobody has used the "corporate-owned device" method to build an App store yet.)

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by igravious on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:49PM (#10194869)
I'm not invested in the Apple ecosystem any more. Is this true? Being trying to find a link to some authoritative info on this but haven't thus far.

Do you mean this? http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/it/management.html

I see no mention of being able to side-load apps.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by pinaceae on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:30PM (#10195526)
Business use a dev license, then deploy their own apps via side-loading. Standard practice by now. And "own" apps is becoming a very loose definition, 3rd party develops, then signs with corp key.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by MichaelGG on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:59PM (#10193470)
ThinkPad X series is about that much. (It used to be $2000 but they've come down in price.) Quality is far higher than a MacBook (doesn't burn my skin, has an acceptable keyboard, has buttons to click).
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by oxide on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:12PM (#10193069)
1k for a low-end laptop? come on now, that's not even close.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by cbhl on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:53PM (#10193416)
By 'low-end laptop' I assume the OP is referring to the Macbook Air segment, not anything running Windows or Chrome OS.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by drzaiusapelord on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:10PM (#10193051)
Your list adds up to $1070. That's no low end laptop. $399-599 is low to mid end laptop nowadays. Most Chromebooks kick in at under $300 now also.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by err4nt on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @02:37PM (#10193285)
I picked up a Windows8 touchscreen laptop for web testing and it cost me the same as an old android phone: $230

That means a machine like my primary work computer is like 8 low-end laptops. This new iPad is the cost of 2–3 low-end laptops.