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Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by tinfoilman on Monday August 24, 2015 @11:55AM (#10110694)
Brilliant, 2 options I see

Never do updates again (which is what I will be doing this evening) and make system perm insecure

Or let MS and the NSA rape me for even more data than they already have

Go [insert abusive word] yourself Microsoft and to think just last week I got a 3rd windows 7 license because I was planning to stay on 7 long term and not upgrade to 10.

Steam hopefully will push linux gaming that i can finally get rid of this crap.

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by ionised on Monday August 24, 2015 @11:56AM (#10110707)
If Steam OS becomes a viable desktop gaming OS that plays most, if not all games, I'll drop Windows in a heartbeat.
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by rocky1138 on Monday August 24, 2015 @12:19PM (#10110898)
There are over 1,900 games on Steam that run in Linux.

https://steamdb.info/linux/

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by ionised on Monday August 24, 2015 @12:23PM (#10110923)
Many of the games I have in my library do not run at all unfortunately.

Sometimes I like to go back and play old stuff too.

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday August 24, 2015 @01:13PM (#10111375)
Many Steam games work great under WINE, both on Linux and OS X desktops!
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by Xylemon on Monday August 24, 2015 @01:02PM (#10111286)
Wine is always a viable option, especially for older games. With DirectX 11 support coming later this year, almost every Windoze only game should hopefully work.
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by ionised on Tuesday August 25, 2015 @04:51AM (#10115217)
What about the games that have no entry in the WINE database? Are they just untested or do they not work at all?
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by merb on Monday August 24, 2015 @01:28PM (#10111508)
it's still slower mostly. Mostly since they don't have any specification at all.
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by yellowapple on Monday August 24, 2015 @08:22PM (#10113653)
It is? I've personally seen better performance with Wine + Linux than with Windows.

Now, this isn't to say that Wine is totally up to par with Windows in terms of compatibility, but performance hasn't been a significant issue for quite some time.

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by ionised on Tuesday August 25, 2015 @04:48AM (#10115205)
I searched for a few games I'm playing now and have played recently and out of 10 there were 4 that had no entry on the WINE database.

This might be enough of a barrier to stop me using it right now.

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by yellowapple on Tuesday August 25, 2015 @03:04PM (#10118781)
That happens, particularly on really new (or really obscure) software. Really, though, that ought to be an encouragement; sure, you're left in the dark, but it means that those games could use some test coverage. Your contributions to the AppDB could help quite a few others.
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by anonbanker on Monday August 24, 2015 @01:46PM (#10111659)
Parent's post has so many qualifiers, it says nothing at all.

I do not see a performance penalty at all with WINE. Most games that work play at speeds matching or better than windows. WoW is usually a big example of that, as are emulators.

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by gr3yh47 on Monday August 24, 2015 @03:40PM (#10112476)
WoW and emulators are both fairly trivial for a modern system to run well. There is definitely a significant performance hit if you are running something in WINE that nearly maxes your performance in windows
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by anonbanker on Monday August 24, 2015 @05:55PM (#10113131)
someone's never used Higan before. I've made Stunt Race FX and Yoshi's Island peg a Core i7. Running Tekken 4 on MAME is just as intensive.

Running either in wine is a fine benchmark on performance.

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by dibujante on Monday August 24, 2015 @12:39PM (#10111079)
I updated to Windows 10 and found it to be so painfully slow that I switched to Ubuntu 14.04 for gaming. I've honestly had a pretty good experience playing everything from low-fi indie titles (like Terraria) to AAA releases (like Shadow of Mordor). Try it out!
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by dragonwriter on Monday August 24, 2015 @12:46PM (#10111135)
> I updated to Windows 10 and found it to be so painfully slow

I initially had that problem, but it seemed to be the fact that (on top of some phoning-home options that I missed disabling originally, which seemed to play some role in the slowness -- disabling them helped) the Windows 10 update from Windows 8.1 also, for some unknown reason, rolled WLAN drivers back to the versions that were several years old (pre-Win8.1 at least) and fairly broken and couldn't automatically locate new ones; redownloading the latest (for Win8.1 -- no Win 10 specific drivers were available for the hardware in question) drivers (which is what had been installed prior to the update) resolved the slowness problems.

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by ionised on Tuesday August 25, 2015 @04:49AM (#10115207)
I can't say I've had any issues with performance on Win10. Some games seem to actually run a bit better for me.
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by minthd on Monday August 24, 2015 @02:48PM (#10112156)
Will games that run on Steam OS be compatible with regular linux ?
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by duvet on Monday August 24, 2015 @03:29PM (#10112424)
Yes. If you look at the Steam search you'll see that Linux is paired with SteamOS.[1]

[1] http://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=linux

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by cryoshon on Monday August 24, 2015 @04:01PM (#10112618)
Same. I would really like it to accommodate old Windows games as well, but that's too much to ask for right now.
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by sschueller on Monday August 24, 2015 @12:01PM (#10110753)
Steam is owned by Valve and Valve is a US company. Using steam will not change anything since it is the US laws allowing/requiring companies to comply with the NSA.
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by ionised on Monday August 24, 2015 @12:07PM (#10110790)
The difference being that I want to use Windows only for games without all this other cloud integration crap that comes with it.

Steam OS is a Linux-based OS designed primarily for gaming. Any and all cloud-integration will be specifically gaming-focused.

Can you not see the difference between that and a general purpose OS like Windows harvesting data everything you do on your system?

I won't be using Steam OS to do anything very sensitive like sending or receiving personal e-mails, editing word documents or spreadsheets, or browsing the internet for whatever reason.

Unless you consider firing up a shooter or a city-building sim sensitive.

The two OS's have very different purposes and use-cases.

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by JadeNB on Monday August 24, 2015 @01:31PM (#10111532)
> Using steam will not change anything since it is the US laws allowing/requiring companies to comply with the NSA.

There's a big difference between 'allowing' and 'requiring'.

Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by pjc50 on Monday August 24, 2015 @12:11PM (#10110815)
Telemetry is clearly not a legal requirement. It's only data stored on steam servers (including chat logs) which you have to worry about.
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by robogimp on Monday August 24, 2015 @01:29PM (#10111517)
Partition your system: Linux for browsing, typing, etc. swindows for gaming and being raped...
Re:Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10 by anonbanker on Monday August 24, 2015 @01:54PM (#10111711)
Parent post is willing to sacrifice his liberty and privacy because not doing so will cut him off from games.

Can we all just be honest with each other and call this behavior an addiction already?