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Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by tomkinstinch on Monday August 03, 2015 @07:55AM (#9995089)
And for a depiction of both how energy is generated and how it is used, see this flow chart from LLNL:

https://flowcharts.llnl.gov/content/assets/docs/2014_United-...

Petroleum is huge for transportation because of its energy density, but it seems like solar is poised take a chunk out of coal for electricity generation (at least during the day, or via what energy we can store).

It's amazing how much heat is rejected from electricity generation. Imagine if we could recapture that lost energy!

There are also state-specific charts on the main LLNL site, and ones depicting water use and carbon emissions. It's easy to see the influence of local resources (solar in HI, oil in TX), and of local industry (note the huge water use in CA compared to, say, NY).

https://flowcharts.llnl.gov/

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by cwal37 on Monday August 03, 2015 @11:52AM (#9996953)
Since you brought up the Sankey diagrams I'll piggyback on you to mention that I spent a summer at LLNL and got to meet the team/person that produces these. I was also given the program they currently use (it's java, still have it somewhere. . .), and tasked to look into applying it to city flows. I have a couple of the results here[1] (my boxes are off in terms of size, but the flow widths should be correct). I still love those diagrams although I haven't touched them in 3 years. It's a fantastic way to visualize a ton of information. The trick is really just finding appropriate data.

[1] https://www.flickr.com/photos/23215983@N02/sets/721576342348...

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by burger_moon on Monday August 03, 2015 @08:43AM (#9995306)
>It's amazing how much heat is rejected from electricity generation. Imagine if we could recapture that lost energy!

Well there is combined cycle[1] which does this with steam and gas turbines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_cycle

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by PhantomGremlin on Monday August 03, 2015 @07:53PM (#10000738)
Combined cycle is very important, but that still only gets you from maybe 35% to maybe 54%. That means that half is still "wasted". It's those pesky laws of thermodynamics. Who was that Carnot guy who's causing us all these problems?

What that link also discusses is that using the residual energy for community heating can get you "theoretical efficiency" of 95%. Now we're talking!

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by stephengillie on Monday August 03, 2015 @12:37PM (#9997480)
Looking at the first flowchart, a few things stick out to me greatly:

  * Transportation is wasting almost 80% of its input energy. 
  * Transportation rejected energy makes up 36% of rejected energy. 
Electricity makes up a tiny fraction of the transportation input. How much will the rejected energy output decrease as we switch to electric cars, and even moreso electric buses and cargo trucks?

  * Electricity generation makes up 43% of rejected energy.
I haven't heard anything about more efficient electricity generation. Maybe that should be a focus of the Green Energy movement?
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by xsmasher on Monday August 03, 2015 @01:47PM (#9998205)
Have you heard the term "Smart grid?" Being able to postpone some types of usage (water heating, etc) and to quickly ramp down generation based on demand will reduce the amount of rejected energy.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by maxerickson on Monday August 03, 2015 @08:42AM (#9995302)
Hawaii depends heavily on imported oil for electric generation (~70%).
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by tomkinstinch on Monday August 03, 2015 @10:36AM (#9996135)
Interesting. Unfortunately, it looks like only imported electricity is counted as a net import. It would be great to see diagrams that show all imports—many states lack coal mines but still burn coal for generation.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by diafygi on Monday August 03, 2015 @10:27AM (#9996047)
Fun fact: 87% of the world's energy is from fossil-based fuel[1]. Over the next 40 years (e.g. in our lifetimes) that will go to zero[2]. We are living in the generation that will be most remembered, not for the Internet, but for the transition off fossil fuels.

[1]: http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=11951

[2]: http://www.pvsolarreport.com/the-next-internet/

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by DarkTree on Monday August 03, 2015 @11:05AM (#9996402)
For people in the future, the age of fossil fuels is going to be a small blip in the history of human civilization. To many people, it may even be weird that it was ever thing at all, given that our earth had renewable resources all along. Hopefully, that shift in mindset takes place, where people cannot imagine not considering environmental impact.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by civilian on Monday August 03, 2015 @04:22PM (#9999498)
Why would it be weird that it was a thing at all?

Renewables have usually been more expensive than fossil fuels. We're at a point in history where we're transitioning the human race from being 99% in absolute poverty into fractions of that. Yes, fossil fuels are not sustainable, but for the sake of bringing people out of poverty I think the reasons why we used fossil fuels will be obvious to an historian who isn't clouded by their own futuristic first-world bias.

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by frisco on Monday August 03, 2015 @11:04AM (#9996386)
> We are living in the generation that will be most remembered, not for the Internet, but for the transition off fossil fuels.

Bold claim. If that transition goes well and we address the climate issues, I think it's more likely we'll be remembered for the internet and not for yet-another-almost-catastrophe-averted.

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by throwaway_yy2Di on Monday August 03, 2015 @08:39AM (#9995277)
Here's the raw data if anyone wants,

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data.cfm

(WaPo credits the source, but doesn't make it clear you can simply download it).

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by maxerickson on Monday August 03, 2015 @08:47AM (#9995324)
They also have an interactive map:

http://www.eia.gov/state/maps.cfm

When I first looked at that map I found out that significantly more than 1/2 the generation capacity in my local area is devoted to industry.

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by k_thorisson on Monday August 03, 2015 @08:26AM (#9995228)
I would love to see chronological data about how this has evolved over the past decade.

It would be especially interesting to see if the grey and red dots are gradually disappearing or if the alternative methods are just an addition to serve an increasing energy demand.

Additionally, it's heavenly to see that the single biggest dot on the map is Hydro, the Grand Coulee Dam in the state of Washington.

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by fataliss on Monday August 03, 2015 @06:15AM (#9994794)
It's insane how in 2015 we still rely that much on coal. Yet we give lessons to China about energy. Hah.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by Shivetya on Monday August 03, 2015 @07:23AM (#9994988)
Coal is readily available, easy to transport, easy to store, and we have technology in place to dampen most of the pollutants from burning it. Nuclear got stuck and never moved on, even the new plants are still of that old idea of massive containment buildings, large cooling towers, and budget overruns. Where is all the cool reactor tech we read about?

Hydro is likely going in reverse as many rivers were returned to original condition for environmental reasons. I don't know of any large hydro under way other than expansion of current installations.

Solar and wind, larger foot print for the same power, and to top it off storage for when needed is not simple. I am still not keen on bunkers of lithium batteries so hopefully other solutions for storing the power to when its needed come along.

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by ZeroGravitas on Monday August 03, 2015 @02:46PM (#9998769)
Every dollar of electricity generated from coal costs several dollars worth of health problems, its a net negative for a nation before you even consider climate change. Basically anything else is a better and cheaper option.

The only current problem with wind and solar in the US is the lack of it. There will need to be changes as it gets to a higher percentage of the grid but we already have various solutions for that, the main reason for not rolling out the solutions is the lack of problem to solve.

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by shoo on Monday August 03, 2015 @07:56AM (#9995096)
> we have technology in place to dampen most of the pollutants from burning it

Could you please go into a little bit more detail here? Which pollutants are you referring to? By "technology in place" do you mean "deployed in the field and being used", or something more speculative?

(not disagreeing with you, i am ignorant and curious!)

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by hga on Monday August 03, 2015 @08:36AM (#9995261)
The two big ones I know about are sulfur dioxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_dioxide#As_an_air_pollu...) and fly ash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_ash).
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by fataliss on Tuesday August 04, 2015 @08:28PM (#10007324)
How about we use other types of Nuclear like LFTR? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY)
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by codingdave on Monday August 03, 2015 @10:08AM (#9995887)
And that is with cheap natural gas prices - more coal is used when gas prices go up. Many plants are able to burn either ones, and will switch fuel sources based on the markets.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by davidf18 on Monday August 03, 2015 @02:43PM (#9998746)
About 1.6% of electricity in the US is imported from hydroelectric from Canada. Much goes to New England and New York State. The New York Subways are partially powered by Canadian hydroelectric.

http://www.pressherald.com/2015/08/03/canada-has-growing-hyd...

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by bargl on Monday August 03, 2015 @12:31PM (#9997410)
As a kid my parents took me to see the laser light show at the Grand Coulee Dam. I haven't been since but it left a lasting memory and I really want to go again.

This article made me think of it, because it is the largest dam in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_light_show_(Grand_Coulee...

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by nsajko on Monday August 03, 2015 @06:31AM (#9994834)
The "other" source of energy the article doesn't elaborate on is probably mainly biomass.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by cozzyd on Monday August 03, 2015 @12:58PM (#9997708)
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by tomkat0789 on Monday August 03, 2015 @01:24PM (#9997960)
There should be another view showing the cost per kWh or some other indicator showing the bang people get for their buck with these plants. It'd be interesting to see how, say, solar in Nevada and Arizona compares to solar in Massachusetts or New Jersey.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by tdhoot on Monday August 03, 2015 @10:23AM (#9996008)
Here's a similar thing in Power Map (a tool made by MS) form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoeL3_5M2zA

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by vectorjohn on Monday August 03, 2015 @01:04PM (#9997764)
Plurality. You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by aidenn0 on Monday August 03, 2015 @02:34PM (#9998649)
I think it's a reasonable usage of the word. By the dictionary, it is used in this sense only for voting and demographics, but it is a natural extension to use it for other fractional values.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by OrwellianChild on Monday August 03, 2015 @01:14PM (#9997861)
"a usually large number of things" [1]

Just a weird way to say "a bunch" or "lots".

[1] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plurality

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by ZeroGravitas on Monday August 03, 2015 @02:39PM (#9998707)
I think they mean it in the second sense listed, more than any other type of power, but not a majority (>50‰)
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by vectorjohn on Monday August 03, 2015 @04:17PM (#9999458)
I stand corrected. I didn't see that one. I.e., it is the largest single source.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by danjc on Monday August 03, 2015 @06:14AM (#9994790)
Solar accounts for 1% so Elon Musk really has his work cut out for him!
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by pjc50 on Monday August 03, 2015 @07:08AM (#9994940)
Does this properly account for rooftop solar as it's not a "plant" but tends to show up as a demand reduction? It's still probably not all that large.
Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by ridgeguy on Monday August 03, 2015 @10:12AM (#9995919)
Rooftop solar (more generally, "distributed generation") is growing rapidly and is expected to be a much larger electricity source than utility scale photovoltaic plants fairly soon, say by 2020 or even earlier.

The following link shows solar utility and DG through 2014. Sorry, can't immediately find the predicted values through 2020.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3085476-the-long-term-prospe...

Re:Mapping how the United States generates its electricity by reportingsjr on Monday August 03, 2015 @01:13PM (#9997856)
It does not account for rooftop solar at all. The information is from eia.gov which does not collect/include rooftop solar in its data. I think it is safe to say that solar is ~double what is listed in the eia's data.