Safari is the new IE

Re:Safari is the new IE by espadrine on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @08:55AM (#9804805)

Safari is worse than IE, however. You could install an alternative.

Even if they weren't, I fully agree with progressive enhancement. It is always going to provide the right incentives for everyone. Only the features most used (by end-users) will become browser vendors' utmost priority.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by Doctor_Fegg on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @09:00AM (#9804832)

You can of course install an alternative to desktop Safari, just not to Mobile Safari.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by emsy on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @11:19AM (#9805876)

By the numbers, mobile is the one that matters.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by sigzero on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @09:15AM (#9804928)

So I should delete my Google Chrome app then? Granted it doesn't take the default for things but I can still use it.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by spaar on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @09:20AM (#9804958)

The iOS version of Chrome doesn't use Chrome's rendering and JavaScript engines though, per the App Store rules it has to use WebKit [0]. So, any other browser app on iOS would have the same problems as mobile Safari.

[0] http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/06/28/chrome-ios (linked by the article btw)

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Re:Safari is the new IE by smrtinsert on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @09:45AM (#9805126)

That's amazing. Thanks for reminding me how much contempt they have for choice.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by dredmorbius on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @10:31AM (#9805463)

Not quite my area of expertise, but I believe that browsers on Android also tend to use the core Android browser components though they can dress them up slightly differently.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by sangnoir on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @11:20AM (#9805880)

> ...I believe that browsers on Android also tend to use...

The word 'also' doesn't belong here. Browsers on iOS don't tend to use core iOS components (WebView) : they are forced to. Your statement really isn't a counter point.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by Someone1234 on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @11:10AM (#9805816)

Browsers on Android are not required to use Android's built in WebViews. And several alternative browser engines are offered by the platform[0].

Android has no specific restrictions in place. Although it is the path of least resistance to use the built in WebView, since you now don't need to deploy your own.

[0] Including: Blink (Amazon Silk, Chrome, Opera), WebKit (BlackBerry, Dolphin, et al), Gecko (Firefox, Minimo), NetFront (Blazer). At the moment WebKit derivatives seem to be most popular, but several browsers re-build it from the source rather than just using Android's WebKit components.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by dredmorbius on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @12:22PM (#9806394)

Thanks, as I said, NMAOE and I was mostly reflecting observations based on some dated Android builds.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by glogla on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @11:10AM (#9805818)

Some browsers do, but Firefox Mobile uses it's own core.

That makes it possible to use extensions like ublock, for much better browsing experience than any browser without ad blocker can provide.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by lorenzhs on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @11:08AM (#9805795)

They can, but they don't have to. Mozilla ships a Gecko engine in Firefox for Android.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by mcintyre1994 on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @11:53AM (#9806169)

They might tend to, but Firefox for example is the real thing on Android.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by dredmorbius on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @12:23PM (#9806399)

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by jegutman on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @09:36AM (#9805055)

Yea, I just really like that I can access all of my open tabs with it. It also context switches better with iOS outlook if you click on links you can quickly go back to outlook.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by benburton on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @10:33AM (#9805482)

Sounds like United States v. Microsoft Corp.[1] all over again.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

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Re:Safari is the new IE by tbassetto on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @09:21AM (#9804967)

On iOS, all 3rd-party browsers (and even the upcoming Firefox for iOS) are using the rendering engine of Safari. The complaint is not about Safari the browser but more about its rendering engine.

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Re:Safari is the new IE by supster on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @09:19AM (#9804953)

Google Chrome app on iPhones still use mobile safari's rendering engine lol

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Re:Safari is the new IE by justwannasing on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @10:19AM (#9805370)

It's not. At least not according to caniuse.com, html5test.com or css3test.com.

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