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Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by davidrusu on Monday June 29, 2015 @09:22PM (#9802263)
Clever optimization by our simulators, Big up
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by marwatk on Monday June 29, 2015 @09:55PM (#9802403)
I've always wanted to read (or write?) a book about us determining we are in a simulation, but we find subtle flaws like this we're able to exploit in weird ways. Kind of like breaking out of a VM through register flaws or something. Anyone know of a story along those lines?
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by kybernetikos on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @01:44AM (#9803152)
I've definitely read one where we're an experiment and the speed of light limit is to stop us from escaping all over the lab equipment. I can't remember what it was called now.

I feel as if fiction where we're in a simulation is relatively common, but one where the hacking of reality is actually done well and plausibly rather than handwaved would be pretty new.

The author of Ra also did a short piece you'll probably enjoy: http://qntm.org/responsibility

Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by sunsu on Monday June 29, 2015 @10:17PM (#9802482)
Isn't that the entire premise of The Matrix?
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by guelo on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @01:52AM (#9803182)
No.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by austinjp on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @03:18AM (#9803504)
O_o
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by rjurney on Monday June 29, 2015 @09:57PM (#9802414)
Write it. Always thought about it, never seen it... except for Reggie Watts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdHK_r9RXTc
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by gall on Monday June 29, 2015 @09:57PM (#9802413)
Check out Greg Egan's Permutation City in which sort of the opposite happens.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by nitrogen on Monday June 29, 2015 @10:19PM (#9802488)
I'm reading that book right now, and so far it's good. One can also read: Anathem, Snow Crash, http://qntm.org/ra, or (extremely NSFW) The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect.

All of them explore the nature of reality and consciousness in some way.

To the parent commenter, please write your story. The world always needs good fiction.

Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by mhink on Monday June 29, 2015 @10:42PM (#9802574)
The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect is one of my favorite sci-fi novellas. But yes, extremely unsuitable for anyone with a weak stomach.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by kale on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @02:27PM (#9807428)
Yahtzee (of Zero Punctuation) wrote a novel that used simulation as a plot device. It's called "Mogworld". I thought it was well done.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by sdenton4 on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @12:25AM (#9802950)
I just finished reading Permutation City a couple weeks ago. Good fun. The core conflict is between two different approaches to modeling, via mimicry of existing systems versus really interesting cellular automata. The automata version doesn't need to 'cheat' in the same way, and is thus a bit harder to find the edges of... (Hopefully that doesn't count as spoilers.)
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by rbanffy on Monday June 29, 2015 @11:08PM (#9802677)
I think Charlie Stross did a particularly interesting one that happened within a simulation where the characters ultimately discover the enemy they were fighting already won and their simulation ran under a larger simulation. Can't remember the name...
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by rbanffy on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @08:02AM (#9804553)
Actually, it's Cory Doctorow and Benjamin Rosembaum's "True Names".

My confusion is a compliment to all three authors.

Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @11:47AM (#9806117)
Sounds like the ending to A Colder War.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by aswanson on Monday June 29, 2015 @10:17PM (#9802483)
Maybe you should approach the revelation and "breaking through" by a philosophical rather than logical approach..if we are a simulation the logic we work with is artificial and arbitrary anyway. So in the story, get to the "real reality"...by taking the ideal of what reality should be and comparing it to what is observed to be and somehow "crack" into ultimate reality by doing so.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by rbanffy on Monday June 29, 2015 @11:12PM (#9802694)
> Kind of like breaking out of a VM through register flaws or something

The difficulty is keeping track of the context while you attempt the exploit. You would have to be able to plant code outside the simulation without causing it to crash.

OTOH, from within, you'd only see a successful attempt to escalate privileges. Imagine being able to edit reality.

Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by viraptor on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @03:30AM (#9803543)
Snow Crash has elements of that idea. At least in the fragments about Sumerian history and their powerful language.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by childoftv on Monday June 29, 2015 @10:47PM (#9802596)
The Truman Show (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120382/) covers a lot of this turf albeit TV rather than total simulation.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by defen on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @03:42AM (#9803591)
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by tobias3 on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @04:00AM (#9803656)
Off to Be the Wizard by Scott Meyer. Did not like it, though.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by bitwize on Monday June 29, 2015 @10:56PM (#9802636)
"Beyond" in The Animatrix.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by rosser on Monday June 29, 2015 @11:40PM (#9802792)
Check out Ken MacLeod's The Restoration Game.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by batou on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @02:16AM (#9803276)
Tron Legacy. The programs want to break out of the VM.

Good film.

Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by CamperBob2 on Monday June 29, 2015 @10:09PM (#9802452)
Once you read Teller and Hanrahan's SIGGRAPH paper on potentially-visible set computation, you instantly grok what quantum mechanics is for. At least in an "I want to believe" sense.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by has2k1 on Monday June 29, 2015 @10:10PM (#9802458)
How do we go about determining if we are in a lossless compression or not?

I wonder if there is some ordering of "conservation of ---" laws that is strictly enveloping/hierarchical, such that you could choose a level at which to simulate/design a universe.

Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by icanhackit on Monday June 29, 2015 @09:58PM (#9802417)
Had to find a way to keep the framerate from dropping below Planck time levels.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by NeutronBoy on Monday June 29, 2015 @10:17PM (#9802481)
Ah, but how do you know the simulation doesn't just slow down the simulated flow of time so it can keep up? Think of a bullet-time like concept. The universe can be simulated as fast as the underlying hardware can keep up.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by A_COMPUTER on Monday June 29, 2015 @11:18PM (#9802714)
Maybe the universe doesn't do it for the same reason games and movies don't do it, the people watching expect smooth playback.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by sdenton4 on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @12:26AM (#9802955)
But if you're enmeshed in the simulation, you would never notice the slowdown! The only reason the video game is annoying is because we experience time outside of it.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by learc83 on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @02:08AM (#9803250)
I think the OP is referring to people watching from outside the simulation.
Re:Reality doesn’t exist until it is measured, quantum exper... by A_COMPUTER on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @03:17AM (#9803496)
Yeah, the crystal people.