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Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by jgrahamc on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:02PM (#9712171)
This is why CloudFlare is building out PoPs in Africa. Our goal is to be 10s of ms from people living there, not 100s, so that people who use CloudFlare for their sites provide a great experience in African countries.

We are already live in Johannesburg and there will be many more.

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by akhatri_aus on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:05PM (#9712194)
Your Johannesburg PoP is always crashing and gives lots of error messages. Very noticeable every few days with Reddit and HN [clearly shows Johannesburg as the PoP on the error message].

That being said the speed boost is very obvious :)

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by kukkukb on Sunday June 14, 2015 @01:46AM (#9713853)
We experience the same kind of thing to assembla.com. It often times out. Quite frustrating when in the middle of development.
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by jgrahamc on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:35PM (#9712309)
What sort of error messages are you seeing?
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by akhatri_aus on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:45PM (#9712346)
I would have to screenshot it to you when it shows up next and email/tweet it to you. Something along the lines of overloaded, took too long to respond and then the Cloudflare location shows up as Johannesburg.

When it's with HN it shows something like the twitter feed of @HNStatus pointing out the CloudFlare server as Johannesburg with a request id (I think).

When it's with reddit it shows the reddit mascot crushed up with his orange beady eyes over a pile of orange stuff. Scary stuff.

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by nsomaru on Saturday June 13, 2015 @05:46PM (#9712799)
I can confirm this; I'm in Durban, South Africa. It says something about a gateway timeout and pops the HN error page with the twitter feed.

Next time it happens, will screenshot and send to cloudflare.

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by mappu on Sunday June 14, 2015 @01:52AM (#9713867)
Lacking any further context i'm almost certain this isn't an issue with cloudflare, instead with the upstream web server.

I saw a cloudflare gateway timeout on HN within the last hour, and the twitter feed had a recent post excusing some technical issue.

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by akhatri_aus on Sunday June 14, 2015 @02:04AM (#9713893)
These don't have the twitter feed excusing the issue, the last tweet was a days prior when it happened last. It's as if they only affect African users, the Johannesburg PoP is also used by Kenyan users.

At first, I wondered why the HN Feed never explained the downtime. Then it made sense, it must be cloudflare.

Given that CloudFlare is everywhere & on everyone's websites, it's a pain when it behaves this way affecting users all over a continent.

Uptime websites also report the site as up.

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by jgrahamc on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:47PM (#9712353)
Feel free to email jgc @ cloudflare DOT com.
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by rasz_pl on Sunday June 14, 2015 @07:24AM (#9714502)
Does your question mean you turned off logging on the servers?
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by xrjn on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:05PM (#9712193)
What sorts of traffic are you seeing out of Africa? How does it compare to Europe and NA, and do you think it's worth for CDNs and large companies to host content there?
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by jgrahamc on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:36PM (#9712314)
It's definitely worth it for us. We plan to be _everywhere_.
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by scurvy on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:45PM (#9712350)
And sniff/proxy _everything_ for economic gain.

Your company's motives are not pure and altruistic. Don't pretend they are.

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by jgrahamc on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:50PM (#9712364)
Your company's motives are not pure and altruistic.

Huh?

Let's be clear: CloudFlare is a for-profit company and hence wants to take in more money than it spends. We do that by getting people to pay us. Our revenue is from web site owners paying us. It's pretty clear what our business model is: pay is a little for bandwidth and hardware is possible, get web site owners to pay us.

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by RyanZAG on Saturday June 13, 2015 @04:00PM (#9712407)
That's a nice straight forward business model most people can get behind.

The problem comes later, as it does when any company gets big enough. Few years down the line, the board of directors has a look over the company and see's a big opportunity: all that data you're flowing around can be turned into money with some very clever thinking at 'no real loss to anyone'.

People don't like to leave money on the table if they can just find a clever enough way to put it in their pockets, and more than enough very smart people saying "hey, pay me a little bit and I'll get all that nice money off the table for you - nobody will mind, privacy is dead anyway!"

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by jgrahamc on Saturday June 13, 2015 @04:12PM (#9712462)
Sure, but you have to remember that CloudFlare's customers are web site owners.

When they pay for our service they are trusting us with their DNS and HTTP traffic. If CloudFlare were to start messing with their data it breaks that trust and we lose our customers. We'd end up biting the hand that feeds us.

Related: https://blog.cloudflare.com/what-cloudflare-logs/

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by mtourne on Saturday June 13, 2015 @09:25PM (#9713463)
The board of directors that would make this decision would have to be a pretty short-sighted one.

Most companies that see a lot of traffic, could decide to engage in shady side activities to monetize every bit of data they see. But no leadership in their right mind would want to take that sort of gamble.

It's interesting that the "evil eye of sauron" argument always comes up for discussion involving CloudFlare, but is never even mentioned for companies like Akamai. My guess is because of the freemium approach which "has to have a catch, right?". But CloudFlare is a proven business model with substantial revenues coming from people who like and trust the service. There is no catch.

ps. former employee here who joined on the idea, and still firmly believes of offering a quality service for a very affordable cost, without being deceitful.

Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by camperman on Saturday June 13, 2015 @09:29PM (#9713472)
If CloudFlare even hinted that it was thinking of playing fast and loose with its customers' data, it would be out of business very quickly.
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by scurvy on Saturday June 13, 2015 @04:03PM (#9712421)
You might want to ask your founders for a copy of their original pitch deck.
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by jgrahamc on Saturday June 13, 2015 @04:05PM (#9712433)
Don't be coy.
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by hueving on Saturday June 13, 2015 @10:47PM (#9713663)
That's somewhat helpful but won't be useful for anything uncachable (e.g. Someone's Facebook wall, twitter feed, emails, etc).
Re:Why the Internet in Sub-Saharan Africa Sucks by rakoo on Sunday June 14, 2015 @07:07PM (#9716646)
Those things are extremely cacheable. The smart move here is to transport diff as much as possible, which is what Cloudflare is doing with railgun (https://www.cloudflare.com/railgun)