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Re:Amazon Allowance by olympus on Saturday June 13, 2015 @11:04AM (#9711205)
I applaud the effort Amazon is making to expand its influence, and giving kids an Amazon allowance would lock them in because it doesn't look too easy to convert that money back to real cash.

But I don't think this one will stick around for very long. Prepaid cash/debit cards and automated deposits are an older and more proven way of doing this (not to mention just handing your kids $20 in cash every week). By giving them something that is accepted everywhere, you teach them how to handle limited amounts of money and how to resist temptations -- if I drop $5 on gas station snacks, I've just burned up a sizeable chunk of my allowance on something that will be gone in 10 minutes. Giving an allowance is great to teach young teenagers how to handle money before they get their own job, but I don't see Amazon breaking into this and locking kids into buying only from Amazon.

Re:Amazon Allowance by superuser2 on Saturday June 13, 2015 @02:36PM (#9712071)
If you give teenagers cash, they can't spend it online. Thanks to KYC rules and bank policies, you have to be 18 to get anything that looks like a credit card.

Best plan for teenagers is a joint checking account (dedicated to the child's use) at your bank, with a debit card they can use for day-to-day spending. You can do allowance, etc with transfers, and most bankd will play ball as long as one person on the account (the parent) is 18.

Re:Amazon Allowance by finnn on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:13PM (#9712223)
I had a debit card linked to a bank account well before I was 18, which I used to buy all sorts of things from the internet. Prior to that, when I purchased my first domain and paid shared web hosting in early high school, I remember buying a prepaid gift card which I used to make the purchase.
Re:Amazon Allowance by w1ntermute on Saturday June 13, 2015 @02:54PM (#9712136)
> If you give teenagers cash, they can't spend it online. Thanks to KYC rules and bank policies, you have to be 18 to get anything that looks like a credit card.

What about those prepaid cards you can buy for cash at B&M stores? I'm pretty sure you can use those online.

Re:Amazon Allowance by superuser2 on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:33PM (#9712298)
Activation requires you to (pretend to) be 18, AFAIK. Also they have quite hefty fees; a checking accout is free as long as you don't overdraft.
Re:Amazon Allowance by derefr on Saturday June 13, 2015 @09:16PM (#9713433)
Are people also not technically allowed to use a prepaid credit card registered in someone else's name? A parent could activate the card and then give it to the child.
Re:Amazon Allowance by superuser2 on Sunday June 14, 2015 @01:18AM (#9713796)
You could, but then you're still paying fees designed to exploit the unbanked. If the parent is financially secure, they can use that fact to get a free checking account for their child.
Re:Amazon Allowance by smnrchrds on Saturday June 13, 2015 @04:43PM (#9712578)
Checking account are free? Well, chequing accounts are not :(

Among the downsides of being in Canada is paying higher prices for anything that is not health care.

Re:Amazon Allowance by jacalata on Sunday June 14, 2015 @01:53PM (#9715734)
In the US most bank checking accounts have a monthly fee which is waived if you meet certain conditions, like maintain a minimum balance (I think mine was $1000) or get an automatic direct deposit at least 2 times per month of $250 or more - these would be hard to meet for a childs account. Credit unions are usually free though.
Re:Amazon Allowance by superuser2 on Tuesday June 16, 2015 @12:44AM (#9723877)
There is usually a "relationship waiver" that eliminates the fees on all the accounts you're party to as long as you have enough total wealth parked with that bank.
Re:Amazon Allowance by Navarr on Saturday June 13, 2015 @05:48PM (#9712805)
Sucks to be you. My checking account even gives me interest!
Re:Amazon Allowance by patmcc on Saturday June 13, 2015 @07:45PM (#9713201)
Look at your local credit union - many (not all, sadly) offer a free chequing account.
Re:Amazon Allowance by mafuyu on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:32PM (#9712296)
That's what I used in high school, but they're not very good value. You'd often need to pay a few bucks in fees just to use a $20 prepaid Visa card.
Re:Amazon Allowance by gotrecruit on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:18PM (#9712245)
sometimes those cards don't work for some online stores because there is no address associated with the card, so card verification systems may fail.
Re:Amazon Allowance by derefr on Saturday June 13, 2015 @09:18PM (#9713439)
Every time I've bought one of those cards, it has me go to a website to register/activate it (set a PIN, associate it with my email address+password, and most importantly, assign it an address and phone number) before it'll work.
Re:Amazon Allowance by pki on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:28PM (#9712282)
many online stores i've seen/used actively block those cards due to fraud/chargeback/etc reasons
Re:Amazon Allowance by benjiweber on Saturday June 13, 2015 @05:27PM (#9712729)
Why can't you use the debit card online? I had a debit card at 14 that I could use online (UK)
Re:Amazon Allowance by gambiting on Sunday June 14, 2015 @04:27AM (#9714198)
In EU you can have a visa debit/mastercard debit card when you are 13 upwards.
Re:Amazon Allowance by mynameisjohn on Saturday June 13, 2015 @07:40PM (#9713181)
Wells Fargo gave me an account incl. debit card at 16.
Re:Amazon Allowance by allworknoplay on Saturday June 13, 2015 @11:40AM (#9711334)
Kids? I'm pretty sure the real market here is camgirls and other internet personalities that people want to buy presents for.
Re:Amazon Allowance by Brian-Puccio on Saturday June 13, 2015 @01:33PM (#9711804)
Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of ... seekingarrangement.com sorts of deals.
Re:Amazon Allowance by philwelch on Saturday June 13, 2015 @12:29PM (#9711502)
You can already send Amazon gift cards or buy things off someone's Amazon wishlist.
Re:Amazon Allowance by derefr on Saturday June 13, 2015 @12:36PM (#9711535)
Patreon's innovation was the "monthly recurring donation." That's basically what this is as well. So one could say it's a direct competitor.
Re:Amazon Allowance by ilaksh on Saturday June 13, 2015 @10:36PM (#9713635)
Jeff Bezos, the world's newest, and wealthiest, pimp.
Re:Amazon Allowance by blumkvist on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:02PM (#9712175)
and stream hunnies.
Re:Amazon Allowance by allworknoplay on Sunday June 14, 2015 @01:26PM (#9715641)
not sure I even wanna know the difference between a cam girl and a 'stream hunny' O.o
Re:Amazon Allowance by blumkvist on Monday June 15, 2015 @12:03PM (#9720195)
Stream hunnies are cam girls for geeks. They pretend to stream games while flirting with teenage boys ans soliciting donations.

Groupies for the modern times we live in, if you wish.

Re:Amazon Allowance by efsavage on Saturday June 13, 2015 @03:31PM (#9712293)
Life lessons aside, it's alot harder to spend your $20/week on weed or booze or gambling when it's an Amazon credit.
Re:Amazon Allowance by ytdht on Saturday June 13, 2015 @06:07PM (#9712871)
you can always sell it for 80%+ of it's value for cash or bitcoins... or ask your dealer what he needs from Amazon
Re:Amazon Allowance by valgaze on Saturday June 13, 2015 @01:11PM (#9711685)
This is an interesting payments case b/c with kiddos in the United States you need to deal with the Children's Online Privacy Act (ie the reason for the "are you 13 years or older" checkbox question)

One firm that's was trying to do kid payments was Virtual Piggy (now Oink): http://www.oink.com

Re:Amazon Allowance by derefr on Saturday June 13, 2015 @09:20PM (#9713447)
> the reason for the "are you 13 years or older" checkbox question

I thought all the age-of-13 stuff, specifically, was because you can't legally enter yourself into a contract when you're younger than 13. Which is to say, you can't accept EULAs or Terms of Service (or you can, but they'll have no legal force.)

Re:Amazon Allowance by Buge on Sunday June 14, 2015 @01:48AM (#9713858)
It's COPPA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Pr...

Some people even consider COPPA to be a form of censorship. It creates such a huge legal burden on websites if they allow < 13 year olds, that most websites have to ban them, thus limiting their right to speech.

Re:Amazon Allowance by mikeash on Saturday June 13, 2015 @10:24PM (#9713604)
Obviously it depends on the jurisdiction, but typically minors cannot enter legally binding contracts. Some form of source:

http://www.lawchek.com/Library1/_books/contract/qanda/legala...

One interesting feature I wasn't aware of is that this does not generally apply to "necessities" or employment contracts.

Re:Amazon Allowance by jusben1369 on Saturday June 13, 2015 @06:41PM (#9713003)
I wonder if it's solving for my problem where my kids buy a lot of video on demand. I'd like to cap that for each of them each month. It wouldn't hurt if it also was funds they could then use to replace the iPhone charger they break or lose each month.
Re:Amazon Allowance by AntsInMyEyes on Saturday June 13, 2015 @02:33PM (#9712049)
I think kids away at college, especially for freshman year could be another use case. Parents know they are smart enough they probably could make the right financial choices, but just being a freshman in college means they probably won't.