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A comment on Introducing Apple Music.

Re:Introducing Apple Music by seivan on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:00PM (#9681394)
Looking forward to ditching Spotify. Stopped paying once they removed Cmd-F filtering and the app started to lag on my 2014 Macbook Pro (with dedicated GPU).

Also, I agree with the keynote speakers, Spotify "Radio" never worked for me. Always got repeated songs or songs I hated.

I wanted automated "thumbs up" if I finished a song, or "thumbs down" if I skipped it, without having to worry about repeated songs.

And a million of other complaints.

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by gpmcadam on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:26PM (#9681627)
Another Spotify customer here ready to jump ship. The entire iTunes catalog and Family Sharing are the 2 features I was hoping for and I'm really happy to see them available from release.
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by jaronheard on Monday June 08, 2015 @04:16PM (#9682075)
The entire iTunes catalog available for streaming would be a killer feature. Where did you see hear that the entire catalog would be available to stream?
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by gpmcadam on Monday June 08, 2015 @08:15PM (#9683340)
> First, it’s iTunes. iTunes on-demand and in the cloud, where you can search for and stream any song available in the library. (It’s a huge, huge library.)

https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2015/06/08Introducing-Apple...

Also alluded to here in the Apple presser:

> whether from the iTunes Store® or ripped CDs — your music now lives in one place alongside the Apple Music catalog with over 30 million songs.

https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2015/06/08Introducing-Apple...

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by ryanSrich on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:14PM (#9681514)
I'm so glad I finally have an alternative to Spotify. They removed staring, apps, and filtering. Their radio is abysmal (almost as bad as Pandora).

What I'd really like to see is a radio feature that plays songs that sound like the song you requested. What all these algorithms seem todo is play songs that other people listened to after or before the song you requested. Or they just play something in the same genre. Genres are kind of dead now, so it doesn't make sense to recommend songs this way. Why not suggest songs with similar guitar riffs? Why not suggest songs with artists that have similar voices?

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by jessriedel on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:20PM (#9681564)
> What I'd really like to see is a radio feature that plays songs that sound like the song you requested.

Isn't this exactly what Pandora does?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by archagon on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:31PM (#9681664)
How I wish they would open up that API. It would be so cool to search for music based on attributes, as in "give me a song in minor, with an electric guitar lead, with a virtuosic guitar solo, with female vocals, and with electronic instruments". You can kind of do that now by Googling the Spotify keywords, but it's not perfect. And what if you could create a custom radio based on attributes? Even better!

I fear that if Pandora ever goes away, this immense collection of musical knowledge will go with it.

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by hamburglar on Tuesday June 09, 2015 @06:42PM (#9689002)
http://acousticbrainz.org/

It's a start. I don't think you can query it on specific attributes like that yet.

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by ryanSrich on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:39PM (#9681743)
That's what they advertise but based on my experience (I used Pandora for years in college) it's quite a ways off.
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by jessriedel on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:45PM (#9681802)
OK but you said

> What all these algorithms seem todo is play songs that other people listened to after or before the song you requested. Or they just play something in the same genre.

and I am pretty sure that, under the hood, this is not what they are doing. They really are using individual attributes about the song (e.g., tenor vocalist, minimalism, heavy distortion, etc.) to try and find something that sounds the same.

So I think your real complaint is "I don't think the algorithms are good enough yet, even though they are trying to do exactly what I want".

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by jfb on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:51PM (#9681851)
The problem is that it is very expensive for Pandora to onboard new content, as compared to a pure recommendation engine approach. They'll never have the depth of catalog to make it anything more than a curiosity.
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by felixgallo on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:26PM (#9681624)
It's also what spotify does. On a song, in the menu, choose to start a radio station from that song.
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by cheald on Monday June 08, 2015 @04:09PM (#9682018)
Google Music does this pretty well for me. The one issue I have with it is that their radio selections will repeat songs, but there's a "reroll this station" button that builds a new playlist on demand.
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by hammock on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:05PM (#9681449)
>Stopped paying once they removed Cmd-F filtering

Didn't realize Ctrl-F was ever a thing in Spotify. But I just tried it and it works for me (MacBook Pro). I'll be trying that out more now.

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by seivan on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:08PM (#9681470)
Go to an artist page or "Global Top 50" and try that. As I said, I never figured why they removed it or disabled it on certain places.
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by a1k0n on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:24PM (#9681602)
Because the desktop app got a ground-up rewrite and cmd-f didn't make it back in to all views yet.
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by seivan on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:32PM (#9681678)
I know how the engineers must have felt, I bet they wanted more time to make it more modular so they could have just gone

self.addComponent(new Filterable()) or some shit and it would have added Cmd/Ctrl-F

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by zyxley on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:07PM (#9681469)
> Always got repeated songs

This has started to get to me. It seems like if I pick any even mildly obscure artist as the seed for a radio stream, I've got high chances of the same songs showing up in the first half hour even across different days.

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by emilsundberg on Monday June 08, 2015 @04:02PM (#9681965)
Don't forget the the annoying red notification bubble when a new song has being added to a playlist. Which never needs a notification bubble.

That simple thing will make me switch instantly to Apple Music. The Spotify app was so much better a couple of years ago when just a few people worked on it.

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Re:Introducing Apple Music by LesZedCB on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:04PM (#9681432)
I don't have a compelling reason to leave spotify yet, but I'm open to changing. I think their redesigned app aesthetic is pretty nice. I have good luck with the radio and repeated songs, but I wish it were smarter about genre/mood matching.
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by lazuli on Monday June 08, 2015 @04:23PM (#9682122)
CMD-F is back and better than ever!!!
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by myblake on Monday June 08, 2015 @07:52PM (#9683239)
cmd+f is back now, but I agree that was a breathtakingly bad product decision, I'm amazed they removed the feature and left it out for like two months. It's not like it's a hard product to dog food or they otherwise have shitty product sense.
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Re:Introducing Apple Music by jayceekay on Monday June 08, 2015 @03:27PM (#9681628)
cmd + f works for me
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