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Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by hudstew on Friday June 05, 2015 @10:05AM (#9665562)
There are a few things to keep in mind:

1) Ariana Miyamoto was chosen as Miss Japan by Japanese people.

2) The critics of Miyamoto are an extreme, vocal minority on Twitter and 2chan.

3) Although Japanese contestants often perform well at the international level, beauty pageants of this sort do not receive much attention within the country regardless of the contestant.

4) "Hafu" is a Japanese word derived from the English "half". It is used to refer to biracial people, but there is no connotation that they are "half" a person. I cannot understand the logic of the author who says that the word sounds derogatory in English -- it's a Japanese word, after all, and is not derogatory in Japanese.

The author uses point (2) as well as his short personal experience in Japan to make broad statements to the effect that Japanese people in general do not accept those whose appearance differs from their own. Japan makes an easy target in this regard because of the well-known (outside Japan, at least) concept of Nihonjinron, as well as the persisting sense that Japan is an isolated country where outsiders will never be accepted into the "in group". Due to this, there is an expectation (particularly in foreign media) that Japanese are racist, and any proof, even that of an extreme minority on Twitter, is taken as evidence in support of this.

Of course, living in Japan, I remember hearing similar broad statements about racism in the United States concerning the backlash against electing a black president in 2008.

The real lesson here is that we should not be basing our impressions of an entire society on a vocal minority, no matter how much their opinions conform to our expectations.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by kstenerud on Friday June 05, 2015 @10:22AM (#9665669)
Yes, let's forget about all the nightclubs I couldn't go into, being physically barred by guards outside holding their crossed arms, saying "gaijin dame!".

Let's forget about the complete lack of upward mobility in any office I worked in.

Let's forget about the neighbors who completely shunned me until it was my turn as the block representative, at which point they criticized my lack of understanding of the bureaucracy.

Let's forget about the countless times people would cross to the other side of the street as soon as they saw me coming.

I just thanked my lucky stars that I wasn't Brazilian. They have it the worst.

Now, I had lots of nice experiences there, especially in the countryside where people are a lot friendlier, but by no means can you say that racism does not permeate their entire society.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by Nadya on Friday June 05, 2015 @01:10PM (#9666620)
Strange how much our experiences differ.

People in the countryside were far more 'racist' to me. I went to parts of the country where they rarely, if ever, see an 'outsider'. I would be stared at by wide-eyed children and shocked elders alike. I would be pointed at and noticed because I was different. In the city, I experienced none of this. I put 'racist' in quotes because, although I felt like an attraction, it wasn't a bad or biased opinion of me. It was simply "That's a rare sight! Look over there, a foreigner!"

"Gaijin" don't tend to know social norms. That's a fact. Some do, most don't. It's easier to ban them all then have to kick out 95% of them. They cause problems because of said lack of knowledge of social norms. Why deal with problems? It might lose you customers. It's much easier to ban any and all foreigners.

Same reason you can't go to many bathhouses if you have a tattoo. Having a tattoo is seen as being part of the Yakuza and Yakuza are nothing but trouble. So instead of kicking out Yakuza, they don't allow people with tattoos. Are you Yakuza because you have a tattoo? Of course not. It's just easier to ban tattoos preemptively to prevent problems.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by kstenerud on Friday June 05, 2015 @01:27PM (#9666727)
Yeah, my experience was similar in the countryside. But I don't consider being regarded as a curiosity as racism. They had no real preconceived notions as to how I would behave, and so our interactions were always cordial (though it helped that I was familiar with Japanese customs). I'd get invited to the local izakaya and we'd have a grand old time shooting the shit over sports, politics, etc. They'd want to know what I thought about pretty much everything (as would be expected when someone from an area you'd never seen before comes to town).
Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by Nadya on Friday June 05, 2015 @01:45PM (#9666823)
If your Japanese is near-perfect you can tell them to let you enter the "no foreigners" nightclubs and bars claiming you were born and raised in Japan. Just pick a place as your hometown.

If it were for racist reasons, they wouldn't let you enter simply because you don't "look Japanese".

Not to say the issue doesn't exist at all. Just that it isn't prevalent. If it didn't exist, there wouldn't be this comedy sketch about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLt5qSm9U80

Although the scenario I experienced was that the waitress asked my Japanese friend what I wanted to order rather than asking me. Assuming I didn't speak Japanese.

At most places I ordered food at - they would ask me what I wanted directly. So I wouldn't say it's a common experience either. Just that it does happen and it's because few foreigners speak Japanese! It's a habitual thing, not a racist thing. It happened more in the touristy parts of Tokyo than anywhere else (even in the touristy parts of Kyoto!)

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by un_ on Friday June 05, 2015 @08:44PM (#9669093)
>claiming you were born and raised in Japan. Just pick a place as your hometown.

I can't say I have not considered this, but it requires "faking" yourself, even for just a minute. It also demands that you have a high degree of Japanese language.

I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to expect people who do not look as though they know the language in a virtually homogeneous society to not know the language. I've heard that the people who encounter this "get around" it by demonstrating that they do know at least something.

I read a blog post once that language is one of the biggest barriers; seriously dedicating one's time to learning the language is something that many, many non-native speakers simply miss out on - and, in some cases, go onto assume that this response is because of xenophobia or racism.

I haven't been in Japan long enough to give my own anecdotal experience, though.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by nandemo on Friday June 05, 2015 @01:47PM (#9666841)
There's definitely xenophobia in Japan, and a lot of stereotyping, etc, and I'm not dismissing your experience, but:

I've never been denied entry to a nightclub or any decent establishment (kyabakuras don't count).

I've never noticed people crossing to the other side of the street because of me.

> I just thanked my lucky stars that I wasn't Brazilian.

I've heard that before but I've never experienced it. I'm Brazilian, but since I don't usually go around wearing Brazil's football jersey, I might as well be Indian to a Japanese passersby.

When people learn I'm Brazilian, the reaction typically ranges from positive to neutral (even when discounting for the tatemae).

I suppose things are different in areas with high concentration of Brazilians. But even in those places I'm pretty sure we aren't nearly as despised as certain 2 Asian nationalities, or even as much as American military.

In any case, I've witnessed and experienced way more racism in my own country than in Japan.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by astrobe_ on Friday June 05, 2015 @12:40PM (#9666462)
Racism of xenophobia? Do you know why they behave this way? I this because they think they are superior, or because they believe that no good can come from aliens? Or because the way they generally behave is embarrassing and unpleasant to them?
Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by kstenerud on Friday June 05, 2015 @01:13PM (#9666646)
It's actually fairly similar to the racism I noticed when I moved to America, although in the USA, in many ways it's more subtle (it would be rare indeed to see someone physically block entrance to a business saying "no blacks allowed!"). Although in Japan, they don't use their police force to repress other groups like here (at least, not that I noticed).

I'm of the opinion that it's a mix of various insecurities, fear of displacement (in terms of power), and stereotypes based on past high-profile interactions that have percolated through the local culture. For example, there is a segment of expats in Japan who, being largely transient, pay no heed to their impact on the local culture, and in more extreme cases, take to actively antagonizing them (trolling or bullying in various forms). I would expect episodes like this to stick more firmly in the local memory than the myriad well-behaved individuals.

That's not to say that I rule out the possibility of a fragile ego and a desire to feel superior. Those tend to go hand-in-hand with any form of tribalism.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by XzetaU8 on Saturday June 06, 2015 @01:04AM (#9669778)
Debito Arudou, is that you?
Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by byuu on Friday June 05, 2015 @11:02AM (#9665926)
> it's a Japanese word, after all, and is not derogatory in Japanese

That reminds me of 外人 (gaijin). Many will argue it's not a negative word, but when you hear people say it, it's almost never said in a very friendly, inclusive sort of way.

It reminds me of the way white people in their 80s and 90s will use the word 'nigger', and the expectation is "that's just what everyone called them back then, it wasn't racist." And you know, some of the time it may well not have been. But it was always meant as a way of saying, "not one of us."

Now sure, as a literal fact, this person is half Japanese, and this is the word to express that. But what's more important, is when and why is it being brought up? It shouldn't matter, and there should be very few times in life when you need to say or ask it.

These sorts of things seem inevitable when you have such an overwhelmingly homogenous society (99% native, and most of the remaining 1% still Asian.) I'm not quite as hopeful as the author that this is going to change any time soon there.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by kazinator on Friday June 05, 2015 @01:32PM (#9666763)
外人 has a derogatory nuance, because it's curt (therefore not polite) way to say something which has more polite forms, such as 外国の方 (gaikoku no kata) which is a respectful way to refer to a non-Japanese person or people. Depending on context, of course. In some contexts and situations, there is no respectful way to point out someone's nationality, such as when it is completely unnecessary and irrelevant.
Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by orthoganol on Friday June 05, 2015 @11:33AM (#9666102)
Yes, don't base it on the 'vocal minority', rather base it on the everyday experiences of Gaijins living in Japan: It's an extremely racist, xenophobic society, on a tier higher than the United States. Racism is deeply integrated into the average man's world view in ways that it is not in 21st century America.

TBH it's not that different from Korea or China in general, countries I've also lived in. Those 3 nations (ones I can speak for at least) are homogenous, not "nations of immigrants," they haven't had turf wars for minorities, civil rights & political correctness movements. Just the casual daily encounters experienced there as someone who is trying to live there (not someone who is clearly a tourist), would completely baffle any politically liberal, tolerant American.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by fatjokes on Friday June 05, 2015 @01:10PM (#9666621)
I'm guessing you're not a minority in the US, if you think that Japan's racism is a tier higher than the US.

I get that Asia can be pretty racist, but until they start imprisoning minorities disproportionately, or implementing policies like stop-and-frisk, or allowing police to shoot unarmed minorities, then let's just step back for a minute. Not being allowed into a club or getting dirty looks from your local girlfriend's family sucks, but let's not pretend they're on the same level.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by jrs99 on Friday June 05, 2015 @12:33PM (#9666405)
Are you also a minority in the US? Did you live in different areas in the US? Were you physically attacked because of your race or sexual orientation in Japan?

Because if you're going by "casual daily encounters" that seem racist to you, do you ever wonder if a minority in 21st century america experiences the same?

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by yuncun on Friday June 05, 2015 @12:55PM (#9666544)
I'm Chinese, I live in Kentucky. People are wonderful here. I've also lived in Los Angeles - never had a problem, but I did meet lots of second+ generation immigrants who complained a lot about perceived racism, that were really just small things that come with cultural differences. To be honest I find that white Americans are mostly much more self conscious about saying something offensive than Asians would be.

Maybe I have to go further south, or be more homosexual or something, but I haven't experienced the hardcore racism you're describing.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by fatjokes on Friday June 05, 2015 @01:24PM (#9666708)
Glad to hear your experience has been positive! I do wonder though if perhaps your desires are a bit different than those of second+ generation Asian-Americans. Whereas you see yourself as Chinese, and thus happy to be introduced to American customs and be the "foreign friend", Asian-Americans would find it somewhat insulting to be considered less than American.
Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by yuncun on Friday June 05, 2015 @02:04PM (#9666954)
For disclosure, I lived most of my life in USA. I played high school sports here, and most of my friends are white.

That being said, youre definitely onto something. Why should I be pissed that there aren't Chinese folks in cinema when I know that China has it's own massive film industry? I know what it's like being part of a massive majority, but some other asian kids I grew up with might not; they only have America, and they would be more foreign in Asia than here. I feel kinda bad for them, because despite being Chinese, they'll only feel different, instead of proud of being part of a great civilization/history.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by jrs99 on Friday June 05, 2015 @12:36PM (#9666428)
To be on the same tier of racism as the United States, Japan has to start lynching its minorities.
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Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by JoeAltmaier on Friday June 05, 2015 @12:31PM (#9666401)
But not sufficiently to have significant genetic variation. So while technically true in some sense, not pertinent right?
Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by amirmc on Friday June 05, 2015 @10:17AM (#9665626)
On point 4, I'd wonder that it's because the author is British. There's a whole nervousness about referring to anyone using race as a differentiator (lest you be considered racist?). To the point where someone will describe someone else by imaginative means even when 'the black guy with glasses' would actually be the most succinct way.
Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by scottlocklin on Friday June 05, 2015 @12:55PM (#9666545)
"1) Ariana Miyamoto was chosen as Miss Japan by Japanese people."

No, Ariana Miyamoto was chosen as "Miss Universe Japan" by a fashion company called HDR Japan. http://www.missuniversejapan3.com/about-us/

Nobody in Japan has ever heard of this.

Re:A beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself by MtrL on Friday June 05, 2015 @12:28PM (#9666377)
I'd imagine the word sounds derogatory to the author as the term half-caste in the UK has the same meaning and has come to be viewed by some (or many, I'm not certain) as a derogatory word.