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Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by skrebbel on Monday May 18, 2015 @04:27AM (#9563309)
For me, cash payments mean privacy (at least until all shops have facebook-uplinked facial recognition cameras installed in every corner).

But then again, Danes never seemed to care much about privacy (you can look up a person's address and all kinds of personal data if you know their social security number, for example), so I doubt there's going to be much backlash.

Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by silvestrov on Monday May 18, 2015 @04:55AM (#9563382)
Dane here: only persons in trusted jobs (police, hospitals, etc) can look up a persons address. The avarage citizen cannot!

Denmark has much stricter laws for privacy than USA: Companies are not allowed to sell your address or phone number to other companies. So Danes don't mind giving Blockbuster their address because they know it won't be sold to 3rd party.

Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by skrebbel on Monday May 18, 2015 @05:14AM (#9563446)
Really? I'm Dutch but lived in Denmark for a while. I gave CBB (a telco) my CPR number on the signup form and poof they had all my data. Impressive UX, but it scared the hell out of me.

Also a Danish social security card (the kind you show to doctors or hospitals, so you take it everywhere) contains your full address and the CPR number. Handy if someone finds your wallet, so they can bring it back. Unless of course they want to screw you over, because all relevant personal info is on that single card.

If you find a Dane's wallet, you can basically do any kind of business on their behalf that doesn't require showing a picture ID.

Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by useerup on Monday May 18, 2015 @07:08AM (#9563729)
> I gave CBB (a telco) my CPR number on the signup form and poof they had all my data.

That is correct. Unless your address is "protected" a large number of companies with access to CPR can look up your address. No privacy to speak of there.

Yes, the Danish social security card contains the CPR number (SSN).

A big (huge) problem in Denmark has been created as an unintended consequence about fear of "having a number assigned" to you. As a result of much debate in the 1960-70's, the compromise was to designate the CPR number as "confidential". Which was really, really stupid in the first case because 6 digits out of 10 is your birth date, one is a check digit, so in reality you have very, very limited entropy.

But worse, because many confused confidential with secret, misguided companies (and authorities) started using it as an authentication method. The logic being that since 3rd parties were not supposed to know the "secret", proving this knowledge was taken as proof that you were who you claimed to be.

Even today, it is amazing what you are allowed to do with a CPR number. So yes, it is foobar.

Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by wodenokoto on Monday May 18, 2015 @04:42AM (#9563350)
> you can look up a person's address and all kinds of personal data if you know their social security number, for example

Other people aren't supposed to know your SSN.

A former police officer who was fed up with the poor security surrounding some online government service managed to extract and publish the prime ministers SSN and got in a lot of trouble.

Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by hultner on Monday May 18, 2015 @04:56AM (#9563387)
I think this differs widely from country to country. Here in Sweden our SSN equivalent (personnummer) is public information accessible to anyone by calling calling the register office and today even via various third party online services.
Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by radagast on Monday May 18, 2015 @05:11AM (#9563434)
This is the same here in Iceland. We have a very high adoption rates for internet banking and through each bank you have access to the national registry and can find the SSN for everyone (even the prime minister) by searching by name or address.

Companies publish their SSN on their websites.

The key for recipient in intra-country payments is account number plus SSN.

Identity theft is rare. I've always found strange reading about credit card scams in USA where people go through your garbage and get a credit card in your name. Here you'll have to show up in person and identify yourself.

Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by hobarrera on Monday May 18, 2015 @02:40PM (#9566117)
The same is true in Argentina. The list of voters include this (and anyone above 18 must vote). I'm not sure where you'd find info on minors, but I'm pretty sure it's not meant to be secret at all.
Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by alkonaut on Monday May 18, 2015 @04:36AM (#9563330)
There is nothing that says that cash-free also implies that all payments are transferred via credit card companies and banks that record everything. A cheaper system for small payments via some form of "electronic cash" needs to be added to the mix. If we are in luck, that system is invented by someone other than a credit card system, bank, or Apple.
Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by Tomte on Monday May 18, 2015 @04:44AM (#9563354)
It has existed for a long time now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geldkarte

No one uses it.

Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by collyw on Monday May 18, 2015 @04:46AM (#9563361)
It probably does exist. But when Apple do it the media will be in awe of how Apple is revolutionizing payments.
Re:Denmark is inching closer to becoming cashless by guan on Monday May 18, 2015 @08:38AM (#9564042)
You don’t need to know someone’s CPR number to look up someone’s address (if it is not protected). A name and former address is sufficient to get a current address, and you can request a single lookup as an individual for a fee.